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Players still go for millions. I seen a few 30+ yrs old going for millions. if your looking for a nice pf/center yes they a are dime a dozen and they do come cheap if wait and look around.. But find a nice pg with all around skills.. it not going to happen for cheap.

I know I have looked. Every one is into big man thing . they are not hard to build, it quite simple to do. But build a all round pg not easy and buying one is even harder

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 6/21/2013 9:32:49 PM

I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

That's a start, but I think we need to take away gate revenue and TV contract money to really get people to spend more money on the market. ;)

I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

That's a start, but I think we need to take away gate revenue and TV contract money to really get people to spend more money on the market. ;)

Oh come on, don't try to act dumb.

My idea is based on the assumption that free agents take out much more money than cup revenue brings - I can't prove that, but as the economy is deflating ever since we saw those guys hit the market I think its a fair guess.

So, if we want to get rid of them AND not go back to the high inflation days, we should find a decent countermeasure, which could be cutting the cup bonusses. Its not that hard to understand, question is if my assumptions are somewhat accurate. If a GM or a BB (haha, joke) could enlighten us with some data that would be cool.

I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

That's a start, but I think we need to take away gate revenue and TV contract money to really get people to spend more money on the market. ;)

Oh come on, don't try to act dumb.

My idea is based on the assumption that free agents take out much more money than cup revenue brings - I can't prove that, but as the economy is deflating ever since we saw those guys hit the market I think its a fair guess.

So, if we want to get rid of them AND not go back to the high inflation days, we should find a decent countermeasure, which could be cutting the cup bonusses. Its not that hard to understand, question is if my assumptions are somewhat accurate. If a GM or a BB (haha, joke) could enlighten us with some data that would be cool.

Your questions are dumb
The market is in a deflation period,so even if you take out FA alone you don't go in an inflation mode
But taking out the cup bonuses,as I have explained to you in many previous posts,you would put the market in an even worse deflation,and that's not what the game need

If you want FA to disappera,propose it,and there will be a quiet discussion here.But the community will NEVER accept a swap of cup bonuses for FA elimination,put this thing in your head

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches.

Its one more TIE per week. So there is still a bonus, plus it has a huge impact on your fan survey.

Oh, yeah, let me lose on purpose one league match per week for one more TiE! It's 100% worth it!

Look, as long as we don't know the numbers your wild guess is as good as mine. I ESTIMATE that FA money drain > cup bonusses, you say its not. Thats okay, I have no problem with that, we won't be able to prove it anyway. To call my idea dumb, is pretty arrogant though.

Also I find it quite funny that you can make bold statements on what the community will or will not accept. You are not the community.

I feel like we have seen the peak of the deflation as it is. We see somewhat higher prices since some seasons back then what we did at one point. I feel the economy is pretty stable where it is now. Do we really want to stir the pot and see what have been lying on the bottom?

As I took a break from the game I am not that familiar with the transfer prices of a few seasons ago, but to me it seems much more worse than like 5-6 seasons ago. Might be because the market is flooded with old players that sell for pennies, maybe we should get rid of them

Look, as long as we don't know the numbers your wild guess is as good as mine. I ESTIMATE that FA money drain > cup bonusses, you say its not. Thats okay, I have no problem with that, we won't be able to prove it anyway. To call my idea dumb, is pretty arrogant though.

Also I find it quite funny that you can make bold statements on what the community will or will not accept. You are not the community.

No,the real problem is that you keep sustaining your selfish vision and doesn't even care to understand what people have tried to explain you
It does not matter at all if FA money drain > cup bonuses or is the contrary,the problem is the overall amount of teams who can make and spend money on the market,that is too little.Everyone here in this thread said to you that we are in a deflative period,so keep pushing to eliminate cup bonuses is wrong anyway,because it worsen this problem(number of teams who can spend money on the market and make the economic chain work) even if the overall amount of money remains the same with the swap among FA elimination and cup bonuses
Have you understood now?



Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/22/2013 8:29:29 AM

I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

That's a start, but I think we need to take away gate revenue and TV contract money to really get people to spend more money on the market. ;)

Oh come on, don't try to act dumb.

My idea is based on the assumption that free agents take out much more money than cup revenue brings - I can't prove that, but as the economy is deflating ever since we saw those guys hit the market I think its a fair guess.

So, if we want to get rid of them AND not go back to the high inflation days, we should find a decent countermeasure, which could be cutting the cup bonusses. Its not that hard to understand, question is if my assumptions are somewhat accurate. If a GM or a BB (haha, joke) could enlighten us with some data that would be cool.

Well, I suppose the alternative to making an assumption is to, I don't know, at least attempt to mock up some numbers for consideration. So I'll go ahead and do that - with the caveat that these figures are all exceptionally speculative and I'm only doing this for the interest of discussion.

My first assumption is that the average cup revenue per team per season in the game is $60000. The way I come up with that is that in the first week of the cup, winning teams get 50k, losing teams get 0, but since there are a lot of losing bots in early rounds in population-dense countries, the average is going to be higher. So instead of 25k, which is what we'd know to be the figures in a human-only competition, I move it up to 30k. And then each round the number of teams winning an additional 50k halves, so we get a series of 30k+15k+7.5k... which evaluates to 60k. Of course, because the number of bot teams falls and eventually all rounds are played, the number could be lower but then because the later rounds have higher prizes, that could increase it, so I just stuck with the easiest value.

Okay, so we have 60k/team per season as an estimated "average" Cup revenue. I'm going to use a 40k user base because it's easier to calculate, though of course we're below that. So if you take 60000, multiply it by 40000 and divide it by 16 weeks in the season, that is a total of 150M that free agency would have to drain from the economy per week to completely offset Cup revenue.

Now, of course, how much is actually pulled out from free agency is unknown and I don't look at the global market really ever, but I have a hard time believing that it even draws out that much, let alone enough to necessitate the removal of the Cup income.

No,the real problem is that you keep sustaining your selfish vision and doesn't even care to understand what people have tried to explain you

Thats the same BS I was told when I first pointed out the 5th place problem back in the days. Guess what, I was ridiculed, called names and after a few seasons it was semi-fixed.

And as long as you don't come up with an idea of your own its pretty useless to critizise my position. If you see a problem with general liquidity it would be up to you to present a solution.