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Thanks for the answer Marin.

Can I suggest you another idea ?
Most of us can't play Cup & league this first year but don't you think that Cup winner or finalists may have the opportunity of promoting ?

Best regards

sorry, but apart from the fact that you even try to change the rules while the game is still played- which really really anoyes me, cause i think that´s a fact that cannot be done, cause this is simply not fair - this seems not a good solution for me.

this would mean, that teams which are now starting a utopian team and get to a new conference/league could end up promoting, other teams which have played the season since starting utopia, can´t promote. Furthermore managers who end up beeing in a very competitive league will have a really hard time, cause out of the most competitive leagues there will only promote 2 teams (cause you can´t receive a really good winning percentage in such a league), but teams from the least competitive leagues will promote.

if i compare that to your marketing tag of utopia "most competitive country, only the best will get through" then its a really really sarcastic promotion rule.

the only thing which i like is, that the 2 conference champions will promote.

and the next question, which has never been answered is, how you want to mix the league iv and remove the league IV.65 upwards, starting next season.... Sorry, but i can´t help myself, it seems that the rules have never been thought of before starting utopia- which in my mind isn´t a good thing to see....

1. You really are saying, that, which is possible, a team which pays for utopia shortly before the playoffs and is maybe one of the 2 lucky guys to get to a new league with a playoff team, can promote but a team which has played the whole season can´t?

2. the problem which i have is, that there haven´t been any rules mentioned regarding the promotion in utopia. and now, hidden in a thread, not as a official post, some things are said- but at the end they tell us "well, don´t count on that, it could also be the other way round".
So, there have been made soo many mistakes with utopia, that i can´t see how you will solve them now.

3. utopia is different, at least for the next 3 seasons from every other bb country, how can i expect the same rules there?

4. has there ever been a statement how the currently 73 league IV´s will be reduced to 64 next season?can´t remember it- another point in utopia without any rules- we´ll probably see at the seasons end, how the problem will be solved.

5. i know that the problem now is in the world and has to be solved. if you really stay with the more than 64 league IV concept, my recommendation for promotion would be the following:

The playoff finalists promote.
you implement a playoff series for place 3- the winner promotes.
the rest has to be filled up.
only teams which have been in a league that has been started before the all star break can promote.

And of course, that is against my argument, that the rules shouldn´t be changed while the game is played, but there have simply been no rules so far, and still aren´t as marin said, they can be revised at every time. and some rules have to be implemented, and in my mind, as soon as possible.

1. You really are saying, that, which is possible, a team which pays for utopia shortly before the playoffs and is maybe one of the 2 lucky guys to get to a new league with a playoff team, can promote but a team which has played the whole season can´t?

It's like that in every league in every country in the BB world from which promotion is possible. At least, I'm not aware of any league where start date takes precedence over the more traditional means of promotion, but I suppose you could always open a thread in the suggestion forum for "rank teams for promotion based on their start date rather than their team".

And of course, that is against my argument, that the rules shouldn´t be changed while the game is played, but there have simply been no rules so far, and still aren´t as marin said, they can be revised at every time. and some rules have to be implemented, and in my mind, as soon as possible.

While you're in the suggestions forum, you can also start up the "play every BB game using the old game engine" thread. Not only would it fix the common complaint about the ASG being a different engine, but it would also stop the incessant whining some people have about LI dominance.

the rules have been set, so i'm not really doing anything constructive, but why not use national ranking as your criteria (after two teams making league finals)? this gets around all sorts of problems (late start, competitive vs. noncompetitive leagues, paying attention to the Cup vs. league games). so, after the first 160 teams advance, then simply go in order of national ranking to promote.

of course, this idea is only as good as the value of the statistical effort to produce a national ranking.

i know there are skeptics, but i have found this stat to be usefully reliable.

the rules have been set, so i'm not really doing anything constructive, but why not use national ranking as your criteria (after two teams making league finals)? this gets around all sorts of problems (late start, competitive vs. noncompetitive leagues, paying attention to the Cup vs. league games). so, after the first 160 teams advance, then simply go in order of national ranking to promote.

of course, this idea is only as good as the value of the statistical effort to produce a national ranking.

i know there are skeptics, but i have found this stat to be usefully reliable.

If the rank were useful, maybe.

Check out my team - 5-1 at this point, got knocked out in the Cup in the first round on -2 effort on the road and still almost pulled that off (was down 1 until my opponent hit an end-of-shotclock desperation 3 with 18 seconds left). Fewest points allowed in the league by a huge margin. I suppose I'm doing alright. But according to the national rank, I'd be 10th in line in my league to deserve promotion, a full 516 places behind a team that's 1-5 but is still in the Cup. If you can make a convincing case that nine other managers in my league would deserve promotion based on what they've done in league play, I'd be exceptionally impressed beyond my already high opinion of your abilities.

the rules have been set, so i'm not really doing anything constructive, but why not use national ranking as your criteria (after two teams making league finals)? this gets around all sorts of problems (late start, competitive vs. noncompetitive leagues, paying attention to the Cup vs. league games). so, after the first 160 teams advance, then simply go in order of national ranking to promote.

of course, this idea is only as good as the value of the statistical effort to produce a national ranking.

i know there are skeptics, but i have found this stat to be usefully reliable.

National ranking...

Okay, so new manager busts A, pulls some great coaching moves, does a great job... but loses tiebreaker, because he's tied with Manager X who's been playing buzzerbeater since season 6 and has a higher national ranking due to his experience.

That doesn't seem fair to me, what about you?