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I'm glad the off site helped you but you are aware you could very easily relegate from both of those. As I stated, I double promoted to DivIII then relegated after a season. I guess that makes me a terrible manager. But I have a long term strategy that doesn't involve being over 1 million in the hole from transfers. I currently have my arena ready for DivIII and have a stockade of cash in case something goes wrong again and/or that's ready to pour into more expansion.

I never said anything bad about EBW, I simply stated that if the U21 and NT want my approval it takes more than one trophy to make me feel like they are doing the best they can. I don't apologize for opinion and I take it as a compliment to be called a wolphhead. Thanks.

A bit harsh buddy. So basically you want people to do exactly what you say, to win all the time, and to be pretty for your approval. He's an U21 manager, not a wife.

I think what is being ignored in this discussion is that E.B.W., while a fantastic game day manager, is exactly the poor sort of moral example that we should not be promoting in the BB USA; to wit, he's absolutely the type of fellow who'll steal another fellow's avatar to try to rack up some spare +1's from unsuspecting beaglephiles, and he still has never denied that he was the dude taking the bathroom picture of Johnny Manziel.

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 7/19/2014 8:54:55 PM

Can't win all the time. Sometimes losing sets you up for a better outcome.

For example, this world's we lost a couple games, but that set us up for success. If we had won, we probably would've had a tougher road to get the the title. It may not seem like I participate in the discussions, but I read on them about once a day/every other day.

We're not trying to be harsh or anything, but we got the gold. Shouldn't people be happy with that?

Or go undefeated and lose the championship? (cough cough, like the Patriots lol)

I'm glad the off site helped you but you are aware you could very easily relegate from both of those. As I stated, I double promoted to DivIII then relegated after a season. I guess that makes me a terrible manager.

On the bright side, though, that season you got to be one of those teams who's CT'd me out of the Cup and ended up demoting. I'm sure the $50k was sweet though, and made a real difference for you the next season.

I know we threw one of those games for a better matchup in the semis. Another thrown game was because we already had made the next round and were saving ENT and hiding the tactic that gave us the W in that next round. Spoon wasn't in that conversation so he didn't know that. His vote is his business and that's where it begins and ends for me.

My 2 cents in this convo is that he brings up a valid point. The offsite community was very fraternal and condescending in the past. I dubbed them the dreaded "Cult of LI" and had my own share of flame wars there with them. Heated debates ended up as mental standstills. In several instances one with admin privileges deleted my posts. Eventually we just agreed to keep a respectful distance.

For several seasons, I mainly just logged in to use the tools. I was still interested in training and NT development though. I began to scout for micronations and help them save and train players. I'd at one point become a U21 coach for Bahamas and pull them out of last place in the world before losing re-election......but that's another story. :)

Now, due to heavy promotion and recruitment, the offsite is full of new blood and ideas. As someone else said, the GDP has forced USA to change out of a pure LI pipeline. Some of the old guard are no longer around, others are no longer as vocal. The culture there has opened up quite a bit and I would encourage Spoon to give it another chance when he feels he is ready.

@Spoon - Please don't mistake the passion for the offsite and the US21's season as a mob attack. We all participated in the team and invested much time and effort to which EBW was very receptive. I attended what games I could. It was a great experience watching the comeback in the finals with all the other managers. Though we trolled Spain's chat pretty hard, at the end of the game we all congratulated them and each other. It was a great example of the passion, camaraderie, and sportsmanship that team competition has the potential for.

That experience was the most memorable in all my 12 seasons in BB. Though EBW wasn't able to see the end of the game, he saw how many managers were brought together to cheer on the team and support his efforts.

If the day ever comes that you feel ready to give the offsite another chance, the door is always open. I look forward to your contribution.

Last edited by Mix at 7/21/2014 2:35:36 AM

This is what I wanted to say but I was kinda of a prick about it. Sorry.

I do not approve of Spoonerific as a manager until he goes undefeated in the NBBA.

Don't take Spoonerific too seriously. He was a decent guy back in the day despite his strong curmudgeon streak. I suspect he's just having a little fun messing with y'all.

US Offsite member #271, here; checking in. Hi, I'm a douchebag.

Last edited by A-Dub at 9/24/2014 2:33:04 AM