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Let me see if I understand you correctly, dude:
- Jungle Fever (23571) (that'd be your team for everyone's benefit): 20050 capacity, last game takings: $ 162 557
- Gurus Angels (30251) (team in your conference): 10080 capacity, last game takings: $ 188 530
- Portland Porcupines (29331) (team in your conference): 11441 capacity, last game $ 181 146
- Wartham Celtic Warriors (23952) (team, yes you guessed it, another in your conference!): 12361 capacity, $191 090 gates

Math is tuff uh? Seems like that 20k arena is really helping you in yoyoing between D3s and D4s.

Don't forget to take your own advice mate: remember to lower the prices, so that maybe you'll match the gate receipts of the guys with the smallest arenas in your conference...maybe you can finally hit $1 price on bleachers next season with the demotion penalty: who knows where those negative elasticity theories can take you!!

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/11/2015 1:40:41 PM

Actually math is pretty easy. This post almost made me forget that I'm tanking and that I'm profiting 140k a week.
God job on doing the research for me though. I appreciate it (y)

Ouch, I thought you were here supporting the crusade for large arenas at lower division levels and trying to prove it to us...by example. Sorry, my mistake, it must have been somebody else :P

My pleasure doing the research anyway. I took me about 5 minutes, so it was actually pretty easy!

For everybody else not named DRoss, and that includes Mike Franks, it would be a step in the right direction if you could provide evidence with examples and numbers to support your points. Since this is easily measurable, I don't see why you shouldn't. And please spare us the "I'm tanking" "I'm going for draft picks" "I have a terrible PR" excuses. In this game there are plenty of users who are training and choose not to (or are not able to) be competitive and besides 2 of the teams in DRoss conference I linked have a 4-6 record. If larger arenas give you more money everything else being the same, then it should be easy to support with data.

This should be discussed before we even get to the point of discussing what managers should do with their money.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/11/2015 1:56:22 PM

Look, I don't want to spoil your enjoyment but these below are just facts:

League Averages from Last Week
Player Salaries: $ 633 006 Attendance: $ 490 619
Staff Salaries: $ 60 878 Merchandise: $ 101 138
Scouting: $ 5 312 TV Contract: $ 204 911
Total: $ 699 196 Total: $ 796 668
League Average Net Income: $ 97 472

Player Salaries Floor: $ 368 839

Baseline Weekly Economy
Expenses Revenue
Player Salaries: $ 635 631
Typical Weekly Net Income: $ 167 618

Do the math from the first bit and think how much you would make from tanking in D1: probably more than 3 times the amount you're currently making.

So could it be that as you go up in divisional league, the opportunities for profiting increase? YES. This is one of the main arguments Trainerman has against micronations, where people who tank can't demote from D1 and make 3-4 million every season (which of course doesn't help the overall game inflation...)

Could the money you spent on arena be used to buy players to sell for a profit while you keep a smaller arena (like those other guys who have half the seats you have)? YES.

Could the money be used to buy players to help you win more and make more profits out of your smaller arena (like those other guys who have half the seats you have)? Probably: between your 80k and the 190k-200k salary the other guys have there is quite some middle ground, provided you're able to manage your GS and Enthusiasm. Also they make 20k-30k more than you do so basically your net gain is really only 80k-100k even without considering you would make more from your own arena if you were a little more competitive.

Could going from 80k to 200k salary perhaps help you go further in the Cup (let's say 2 rounds=100k) and perhaps get you a 300k promotion prize? YES. If you start including 500k in a season divided by 14, is another 35k extra per week. Those amounts are higher if you're in D2 or in D1. Obviously you're not gonna promote every season but not gettign kicked out of the cup right away is still a good idea.

Could it be that tanking in a higher division with a 20k arena is more profitable? YES. In fact it is a LOT more profitable and probably in the region of 4-500k per week in D1.

Could that be that making the playoffs and winning the first round is more profitable that finishing last? YES, provided that you make in gates more than you spend on players.

I've never had trouble competing for the title and making $100k+ per week. Perpete even got upset about it. Whoever boasts about making 100k or 150k by tanking should really think again. I wanna say this to people reading this thread: it's perfectly possible to do make $100k and compete at the same time, you don't have to demote in order to do it. Training makes things more difficult, but that's it. I've already trained PG for my C trainees 3 times this season in D1 and one is this season's draftee...I have a 6-4 record.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/11/2015 4:07:44 PM

Look: I think top teams can make 230k in D3. I've seen it, so it's nothing new. But $ 206k with better record and roster still compares very unfavourably to $ 191k from a 12k arena, because it means that the marginal gain from building those extra 8k seats in D3 is very low (and therefore making back the money spent on are will take quite a while).

Edit: Trainerman makes 230k with a less than 17k arena in D3 in Utopia so I suppose the max could be between 240k-250k

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/12/2015 12:33:39 PM

I don't think the English U21 and NT are quite in the same league as the US teams lol. I'm also not part of the staff on either team, but I'm sure there is plenty of better managers than me among the guys in the mentorship thread.

Last point I will make on arenas and tanking. When you tank you will have to consider that if you end up demoting you will make less money the following season (both the lower league and demotion will hit your income). That's a risk or a certainty if you are too far from anyone else's level and I think you need to factor that in your assumptions.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/11/2015 4:28:40 PM