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29194.16 in reply to 29194.15
Date: 5/12/2008 3:33:00 AM
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What you've just said it's ridiculous...

I mean who are you to judge other and their work??

Why do you think that a III-IV series may be easier than your I division??

For example I can say your series it's easier than the others because in SA there are only 9 active teams...so you can easily win because you often play against bot or not so competitive teams, when in Italy for example the active teams are 3149...

You can understand that Italian is surely more difficult than SA league...

So how can you say if you are a better player than another ones only looking the series where he plays??'

In conclusion I think it's not right to judge a player only for the series where he plays.

That's not only a referr to my job but also to other players.

Good luck to everybody!

From: Rambo

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29194.17 in reply to 29194.15
Date: 5/12/2008 8:24:41 AM
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I agree it is great to have competition, may the best man win. As far as lower divisions, you have to also take into consideration the amount of time it takes to make it to a higher division. For example, I was put on a last place D.III team and was relegated so I have essentially accomplished the most I could possible accomplish in 2 seasons. At best it will take me another 2 seasons to make D.I which is not a reflection on my skill level but my placement in the BB world.

I hope that this fact does not escape the eyes of the voters. I also hope people don't buzz off after the election and focus on the title. I am personally in it because I think I can be a good candidate and I want to be more involved in the game. This is the logical next step. I think South Africa, as you mentioned, is a small country userwise and that makes it a great candidate for people to break into the National Team game. In fact your last National Team coach was from the same Division as a lot of the candidates. If you had a bad experience by all means vote for a different type of coach, but don't forget that this is a historical precedence and will surely continue in future elections until the number of active users increases.

And Dlight don't take offense, that message was directed to the group not just you so I don't want it to seem like I am calling you out when in fact I think you made some very valid points.

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29194.18 in reply to 29194.17
Date: 5/12/2008 8:58:16 AM
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especialy to marco7 who didnt seem to understand my message... My observation was that there are 10 new candidates more then all the teams from SA. From these guys i wonder if they think they are all so good why didnt they candidated for their own country NT elections? By all means im not saying im better then them! Also i feared that some might understand my message wrong (seems marco did) i didnt sugested lower divisions mean lower quality teams because it sure isnt, there are teams in Italy for example that have 3 seasons ahead of us and im sure a second division team can match our NT, i just took the priviledge of looking at your teams and since the salary of the players wasn't that great naturaly i figured out that they werent doing that good with their teams. Again i'm saying lower division doesnt mean lower quality but lower player salary does.
As for the previos NT manager he is a great guy he really helped us knowing that when the elections took place we were the just getting our teams, he had experience he was the best choice back then. Maybe some of you think they can do better then him, maybe some of you can do better then him thats to never be found out or to prove.
Rambo no offence taken, you were honest when you said that being a small active user country so now lots of guys want to try to see how they can manage a nation. The thing is that being a NT manager is a team work u can do nothing if the teams that have the NT players are not training him or they dont want to talk/update new players and so on. It's just absurd to say that i have some friend from Italy and me and them will make this team better will scout for players and so on, first of all its not polite towards SA users, its like were being left out...
But despite all, I'm glad that the candidates share their opinions and thoughts.
Tom

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29194.19 in reply to 29194.18
Date: 5/12/2008 9:12:35 AM
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"You said I'm in the IV league..yes it's correct, it's not one of the best but I think even if it's only a season I've been playing I have the necessary knowledge to be a good coach." - marco 7

I think now i understand why your player salaries are so low...

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29194.20 in reply to 29194.19
Date: 5/12/2008 9:51:20 AM
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Well I think it's impossible to judge how can play a person only looking him player's salaries...

But seems you don't understand...

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29194.21 in reply to 29194.18
Date: 5/12/2008 11:44:21 AM
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From these guys i wonder if they think they are all so good why didnt they candidated for their own country NT elections?

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Rambo no offence taken, you were honest when you said that being a small active user country so now lots of guys want to try to see how they can manage a nation. The thing is that being a NT manager is a team work u can do nothing if the teams that have the NT players are not training him or they dont want to talk/update new players and so on. It's just absurd to say that i have some friend from Italy and me and them will make this team better will scout for players and so on, first of all its not polite towards SA users, its like were being left out...
But despite all, I'm glad that the candidates share their opinions and thoughts.
Tom


Obviously for someone from USA or Italy, it is nearly impossible to win the votes for NT coach unless you are in the top league of your country.

I definitely agree with you that it will be about team work and working with the SA active users rather than buddying with more foreigners. I cited this in my opening speech that I think the process will be best if it is a cooperative one with as many people as possible helping out in any way thay can. I don't think two guys from Italy can get it done, although Marco may be a great coach and perhaps this isn't what he meant by his statement. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he understands people from SA will be the chief builders of the team, not the coach.

I can not reveal too much about my own team but I can say I believe I have had a very successful training strategy in place and I look to implement similar strategies with the National Team players and with the SA users.

thanks!

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29194.22 in reply to 29194.21
Date: 5/12/2008 12:34:42 PM
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Obviously for someone from USA or Italy, it is nearly impossible to win the votes for NT coach unless you are in the top league of your country.

I definitely agree with you that it will be about team work and working with the SA active users rather than buddying with more foreigners.



I agree with you!

I've only said that I've got a staff which will help me, if I will be elected, in checking out datas of new players and other...

Surely it's essential a cooperation between the coach and SA community...

I've already expose my plan to make SA a very good team.

@ Dlight: I think you're too much argumentative...you are only saying that for the sake of argument...

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29194.23 in reply to 29194.22
Date: 5/12/2008 12:41:56 PM
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marco i'm not judging you or anything i just stated my opinion. How is anyone succesful in this game? Train players, they become stronger (how do u see - well as BB help says - salary increses), thus stronger teams and well...you start winning. Why do you keep atacking yourself like this? When you become a NT manager you will not be able to control the training of NT roster so first you must be a good tactician which comes only with experience managing what you have as best as possible and keep in touch with the guys that train that roster and in the case South Africa (and small countries in general) its the teams from within the country borders that do that.
I think i said what i had to say and it's pointless to argue about something did doesnt really have to do with what's this topic about (the salary of your players or what division are u in) again i was just making an observation. Im sure you or any of the other candidates are as good as any buy you have to understand that managing a NT it's not the same as managing your own team.

Now a message to Rambo, man your fine with words, i'll give you that, are you a politician in real life? :)
About that training strategy the thing is i dont know how many users will change their training schedule just to train a player from SA i hope that happens but i sure doubt that. You can agree with me that no one will like someone to tell what to with his own team that's for sure. But anyway tell us more about that i for one am interested in hearing more.
Tom

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29194.24 in reply to 29194.23
Date: 5/12/2008 1:45:43 PM
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My post wasn't to be an attack, only an ascertainment...

For sure players with higher salaries are stronger than other with lower salaries..no doubt..

But I don't want to argue or to attack anybody, so from now I will only answer the questions that SA players make.

Greetings.
Marco.

From: Rambo

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Date: 5/12/2008 2:42:31 PM
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Now a message to Rambo, man your fine with words, i'll give you that, are you a politician in real life?

About that training strategy the thing is i dont know how many users will change their training schedule just to train a player from SA i hope that happens but i sure doubt that. You can agree with me that no one will like someone to tell what to with his own team that's for sure. But anyway tell us more about that i for one am interested in hearing more.
Tom



Aha, it's not that easy my friend! Maybe if one of us gets elected we can team up and learn from each other's ideas but not before.

I agree that few will change the training of their team just to benefit SA but I think if we can get SA players on SA teams there would be more incentive. Even if this means paying a little more for players or searching out players to buy back.


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29194.26 in reply to 29194.25
Date: 5/12/2008 6:23:08 PM
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There was a South African NT match on Monday:

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Care to comment? Without knowing the players skills, but having some knowledge of the game, how would you have played it?

I find it interesting that the only people commenting in this thread are the ones running (not counting me). Have all the teams made up their minds? Election ends on Wednesday.

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