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I'm not saying it's the same thing to have player with 10 times 9 all around the board and to have 90sp who has been trained for one season with 1on1. I'm saying that it's about as close to equal we are going to get.

And on average 18yo players will still be better. 18yo skills can be in between 10.0 and 79.9 (average 45sp) while 19yo skills can be between 10.0 and 99.99 (average 55sp). The average difference of 10sp is easily surpassed with any kind of training.

I would bet that U21 national teams will mostly consist from players that have been drafted as 18yo, though 19yo have a better chance now too, which will further improve the chances of smaller countries to get decent teams thus making the scene more competitive.

So sorry, not seeing any reason to boost 18yo draftees.

Wow, you have so much patience explaining, where it is no point at all.

Everyone with little bit of logic in the brain agrees with you, sadly all of them quited the forums because of endless pointless discussions, where everyone knows "better"

I am little bit concerned that average 19 yo might be even better than 18 yo...We had average 52-53 tsp 18 yo last few seasons, didnt counted 19 yo, probably ~60 average, if it would be between 52 and like 65 now or even 72, 65 in most cases at 19yo would be better because of secondaries and main, hard to train skills.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 8/29/2021 4:32:36 PM

Everyone with little bit of logic in the brain agrees with you

Wow, really?

Guess those back-to-back U21 WC and B3 titles were just a fluke, no logic involved there.

And those poor, brainless BBs... What have they done...

I welcome the change since the current situation favors 18 year olds.

1. In the drafts in my league I don't see anyone ranking 70 TSP 19 year olds over 60 TSP 18 year olds with everything else equal.

2. Majority (80+%) of 150+ TSP players I see were drafted as 18 year olds. This goes to 100% for 160 TSP players.

3. China NT only has 1 out of 17 players drafted as 19 year old.

But I get your point that the change done should not be too drastic. I believe that even with the new changes, we won't see 100 TSP 19 year olds. Otherwise, I would draft them over 18 year olds too :)

I second your opinion. Since the changes where 19yo's started having skills of 8, we've only seen a single player with 78+ tsp being drafted. I can only recall that he was canadian and subMVP potential. So I really don't understand the commotion here.

And it's crazy to me that we've been taking an example of a player with all skills being 9.999. Of course he's going to be better than the 18yolds. Player with all 8.999 is also going to be better than 18yolds in the long run. But come on? What are the odds of that happening?


100% there are different weights to roll certain skills, or they have different floor/ceilings according to draftee statlines. It's protected from being overpowered.


(49554111). Here's an abnormality. Most of the time we don't see such quality 19y olds, and lets make his 8's to 9's.
Now we have him and a 18yo that hit the same lottery with the 7's and that's been trained with a 6/6 1x1 for a whole season(+16tsp):

9/9 9/7
9/9 7/12
5/9 12/7
6/5 8/5
6/5 6/5

with the TSP of 72 vs 78. And guess what? In general, they're the exact same thing time-wise. Which was the whole purpose of this change. To simply balance out stuff.

Last edited by Kritulys at 8/30/2021 3:31:43 AM

entropy in action.

It is called power creep in games. And it is very sad, it is like adding new characters into dying TV show. Sign of dysfunction and desperativity, last kicks before sudden death.

I have been playing in these times where average draft was like 35 tsp Star potential

In my opinion BB should avoid at all costs power creep. This is a turn to a wrong direction. We are already seeing negative impacts on the market where 140tsp guards without or with low secondaries at ages 30+ are worth close to nothing. This trend cannot continue without negative impact on whole economy.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 8/30/2021 2:42:03 PM

We are already seeing negative impacts on the market where 140tsp guards without or with low secondaries at ages 30+ are worth close to nothing. This trend cannot continue without negative impact on whole economy.

30+ 140tsp guards are worth close to nothing because their salaries are too high, only a minority of first division teams can afford their wages, and it's not worthy to spend much on a player whose skills will drop or start dropping soon. so there's not much to do with training or draft skills.