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It's not easier, but teams like Astana can play in the Champions-League, Sheriff Tiraspol managed to upset Real Madrid and cause a big shock. But they did not reach the next stages of the group. How many teams from micronations or smaller nations have won the B3?

How many are even able to reach the last 32 or 16 teams, from micronations or smaller countries let's say less than 100 users?

This for me just feels like the Super League fiasco all over again, where Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona were crying because apparently they need even more money.


Of course it's not the same competing in a smaller nation compared to nations like Spain, Italy, Polska or China.

The bigger nations have

- Bigger revenue because of their league's ranking
- Bigger merchandise because of their nation's ranking
- A MUCH bigger chance of success in the u21 and NT competitions, where smaller nations can BARELY compete with them
- More motivation to stay in the game, learn and improve since the competition is much higher
- More knowledge available from a bigger community, with many experienced users willing to help newer users or users looking to learn

How is this even a problem?

Teams from micronations should still have the same opportunity or close to it, to compete with the biggest nations.

Alternatively I would suggest to merge more nations that have 40-50 users into Nations Of., to increase competitiveness and engagement in the game from these nations.

Just take a look at nations like Crna Gora, Sakartvelo, Malaysia, they have national leagues and few users, but their top teams are 99% inferior compared to top teams from Italy, just in Italy you have 6 teams stronger than the best team from Sakartvelo. And these italian coaches are able to sustain these salaries, are they not?

I am sure if you were a top team in a nation like Crna Gora, your desire and motivation to keep playing BB would be much lower than in Italy, and also you would have probably left BB by now

Last edited by Coach Sergio at 1/28/2024 9:44:50 AM

what about making teams' TV revenue and merchandising being linked to the NT performances?
i mean, not exclusively, but NT performances having a considerable weight on the TV and merchandising formulas.

Last edited by Bernspin at 1/28/2024 10:50:46 AM

I think that would create a much bigger rift than needed, and it would be horrible because then nations with bigger users would always have the most dominating leagues, teams and NT's, so it does not make that much sense.

What could happen, instead, would be to have a league's ranking. And let's say that each rank increased 0.05 or 0.10% of TV contract and merchandise income, or attendance in these leagues.

This way top 1 league for example would benefit of around 10% increased TV Contract, or Merchandise, or Attendance.

Anyway, I don't know how much sense does it make to implement these measures to be honest. It would only solidfy top countries dominance in BBM and B3.

To me it seems quite ridiculous that wealthy teams and very established teams are somehow unsatisfied with current income system. Especially since the bigger the country, the wealthier the top teams are.

How can a micronation team have less chance to win if?

You are focusing too much on the theoretical side of it, have you even scouted micronations? Do you actually know their team compositions or the full reality of their leagues?


I don't want you to interpret in a wrong way, since I am trying to improve micronations in general, I have been very involved with them for many seasons now, and you should just take a look and scout micronations leagues.


Facts that easily disprove your claim:

1. If smaller nations were to be beneffited as much as you claim they are, they would have won a B3, or be very competitive in the B3 and have super strong teams, is this the case in the last 20 seasons?

False

2. It's true that it's much easier to be a champion in micronations, but has that translated in International success?

False

3. Do teams from micronations tend to have easier path to reach the last rounds in B3?
No, they can barely reach it, except very select few of very good teams, and even then, teams from mid-sized or bigger nations are ALWAYS the favorites to win against top teams from micronations

False

4. Can train without any big issues? The training success rate for smaller nations is MINIMAL, compared with bigger nations, also NT players are ALWAYS behind in terms of skillset compared with the best NT players in the bigger nations.

5. Can make Money faster if not compete at max possible of his chance

True

6. Can easily build NT players of his country, for sure a good player of a micronation can play more years in NT?

True

But has that translated in International success for this team? Also as previously stated the NT players of micronations are almost always less complete, with less TSP and less stronger than mid-sized and bigger countires (75+ users).

Important distinction

Just because they can easily have a player in the NT, they have a huge DISVANTAGE, their draft is much smaller, good players are much rarer.

Do you really want to compare a nation like Italy around 70 MVP's and 50 Hall of Famers, JUST in the 18 year old draft, every single season?

Compare that with a nation like Sakartvelo, that drafts 5 MVP's and 2 Hall of Famers, every single season?

Look at it this way

Italy has 14x more drafted 18y, MVP's and 25x more drafted Hall of Famers, just in the 18y category, every season, do you even think that this is fair?!

We all know that to win B3 your player needs to have a very good skillset, the chance of a player having the necessary skillset when drafted, and the necessary potential is INFINITELY much smaller in Micronations compared to Italy, for example.


7. Only knowledge they can't buy but there are forums for that and lot of people Happy to talk about BB

I highly disagree, 99.5% of managers don't know what is the most optimal way to use the elastic effect in micronations, 99% don't even know how to make a player reach 150 TSP, nations like Italy have this knowledge and experience while users in micronations do not.


Please don't take it badly, I just think that your idea of the reality of micronations is very different, to their actual reality, believe me when I say it, only when a team is EXTREMELY good in micronations they may even dream of reaching B3 final phases. Meanwhile bigger countries like China, Belgium, Spain, are always, ALWAYS competing for the B3 title, every single season.

Cheers

Last edited by Coach Sergio at 1/28/2024 2:13:25 PM

As a matter of fact we are consistently seeing nations like China or Hong Kong, where the top 1 team of that country can sustain salaries like 1.5M (bigshoes), you can see that some Chinese teams have 1.3M salary this season. Tell me how many micronation teams are in the 1M+ salary bracket, compared to bigger leagues? That % will maybe, be 10% or less.

You, my friend, are absolutely right about micronations.

It may seem that the game can be easier there for someone who played this game many years in a competitive country, but nothing could be further from the truth in their reality.

I myself am a micronations u21 nt coach and you are completely right about the managers not knowing half the crucial things of training. I don't blame them, most of which only play the game to have fun because they enjoy it this way. In fact it's a matter of numbers and I think I can prove it...

Spain have the most users playing BB among all of the countries, and of course this is a big part in their success, but there are not as many implicated users as someone could imagine of.
Every staff have 5 to 10 people "working" on them and 50-100 users dedicated to fully train the players, almost 90% of them on u21 terms, because once the players reach certain age and salary, they no longer play for "new" teams.

That's a lot of managers, but still is around 4-8% of total country users.

Imagine that % in a country with only 8-15 users.

But this is exactly the point my friend, Folgado is Folgado because he's in the Spanish community.

There are no Folgado's in micronations, because they don't have the same community, the same competitiveness, the same engagement and the same level of knowledge

You brought this point, and compared micronations and very small nations saying that the fact that they earn as much as bigger nations like Italy is unfair and I brought you the facts that it does not change anything them earning more, that is all

Besides the name of this post is literally ''Economic revenue nation by nation'', success of teams from micronations in B3 is one of the most important metrics, because it shows if the top teams that compete in easier leagues like micronations and small nations, have it easier or not.

And in this case, your claim goes out of the window, because as we can see only 3 teams out of the last 32 teams in B3 are from micronations. That is around 9% of teams from micronations, 91% from mid-sized, bigger nations.



Last edited by Coach Sergio at 1/28/2024 2:21:46 PM