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38726.16 in reply to 38726.15
Date: 7/19/2008 4:37:06 AM
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yeah but that it ain't follow the orders exactly is normal, am i right that your SG have no backup? In this case it could happen easily that players without orders get substitutes, if they with you in this trip no matter if you don't list them as backup. That are free to select players, which the coach use to give someone a break.

Your PG play 21 minutes as a starter, because he get foul trouble in Quarter 2 and you blow out your enemy, so that he miss most of 2cd and 4th quarter.

Thats how the bug looks for me, thats why i even wanted this thread open to ask you that and if i'm right there is no bug. And there are some tricks to avoid it(without the fol out thing, which is probadly hard to avoid)

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38726.17 in reply to 38726.16
Date: 7/19/2008 8:09:00 PM
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Sorry, my friend, but you're wrong. I did have a backup on SG position(Marcus Mullen) and it was actually in my best interest to get him as much minutes as possible in that game 'cause my training for the last week was Outside Shooting for PG and SG.

I know that you're trying to find a reasonable explanation for what happened, but I assure you that I've set up everything correctly. And while I can agree(to certain degree) with your explanation why my starting PG didn't get enough minutes, there is no reasonable explanation for 6'1" Guard to play in PF position... especially if I didn't ordered such a thing.
Anyway, to go back on my starting PG, as I said I can agree to certain degree with your explanation, BUT you're forgetting one thing... a quiet important thing... purpose of Scrimmages is to test your players or, in this particular game, to get them enough training minutes. The result itself should be totally irrelevant and therefore it shouldn't matter if I've blow out my opponent. BB should look up into that and try to "explain" Game engine what Scrimmage and its purpose really is.

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38726.18 in reply to 38726.17
Date: 7/20/2008 3:57:05 AM
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there is no reasonable explanation for 6'1" Guard to play in PF position... especially if I didn't ordered such a thing.


If you don't order the plyer he would be order from the coach where he need a player ;) if he should play don't take him with.

Sorry i write SG but i mean did you have a backup on PF who ain't backup at other place? There are playing 3 guys, and i thinkanthony was a double backup who sparing your center must. But in Blowout you get your start out of the game, so you don't have a backup but you got unspecified player so they play there.


purpose of Scrimmages is to test your players or, in this particular game, to get them enough training minutes. The result itself should be totally irrelevant and therefore it shouldn't matter if I've blow out my opponent. BB should look up into that and try to "explain" Game engine what Scrimmage and its purpose really is.


Normally testing games let play even the benchers long time, but it is better that it works like normal games ... First you don't get an adavantage to palyers who play cup, at the other things training gets to easy if the coach fills up the 48 minutes.

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38726.19 in reply to 38726.14
Date: 7/20/2008 10:32:29 AM
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I just don't get why u guys can't do it.
Unless the player gets into foul problem, he will play the 48mins if he is the starter the backup and the reserve and you choose "strickly follow depth chart"
At least i used it a couple of times successfully...
Just look at my last scrimage and u'll see that Arash Adebi played the 48mins, and if u see back in his history u'll see that's not the first time he did it...

just my 2 cents

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38726.20 in reply to 38726.19
Date: 7/21/2008 2:22:53 AM
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I just don't get why u guys can't do it.
Unless the player gets into foul problem, he will play the 48mins if he is the starter the backup and the reserve and you choose "strickly follow depth chart"...


Well, it worked for you, but it certainly didn't work for me :s
Why? I don't know. I know that I've set up everything correctly including "Strictly follow depth chart", though.


Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 7/21/2008 2:24:27 AM

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38726.21 in reply to 38726.18
Date: 7/21/2008 3:53:41 AM
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You're right about that. Anthony was my only backup for C and PF, but still... you're forgetting that I ordered my coach to "Strictly follow depth chart".
I mean, once again, what is the point of having those options if Game engine's gonna disobey them and do whatever it wants instead?
I mean, seriously, just think about it for a second... what is the point of us spending hours and hours in front of the monitor setting some "orders" which are not gonna be followed through in the end?

And as far the "unspecified player" is concerned in this whole thing, I understand what you're saying, but what you obviously don't want to understand is that Game engine should never do such a move without our approval(unless we have a injured player on the floor, of course, but that's something else). I mean, for the thousand and first time, why do we have those freaking "Game orders" options if different?
Besides, if Game engine decided that that "unspecified player" just had to be put on the floor then why it didn't at least put on a proper replacement? I don't know, man... I mean, I just can't believe that you don't see anything wrong with Guard playing as a Power Forward... I just can't.

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38726.22 in reply to 38726.21
Date: 7/21/2008 4:20:09 AM
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You're right about that. Anthony was my only backup for C and PF, but still... you're forgetting that I ordered my coach to "Strictly follow depth chart".
I mean, once again, what is the point of having those options if Game engine's gonna disobey them and do whatever it wants instead?


Because game not that easy an shouldn't be that easy? Training management is sometimes frustrating, but also brings fun because it ain't that easy.

If you choose strictly follow deph chart and you sent an rooster with backups etc. it works, but without it the coach sees the problems and takes care of the alone player.

depth chart don't say you don't need backups, and blowout always means at the end of the game we protect our starters and the "second row" comes in or whoever is there and wasn't exhausted.

I mean, for the thousand and first time, why do we have those freaking "Game orders" options if different?


Why you take players with you who should not play? The orders makes differents, but they just work if you use an quite normal lineup.

if Game engine decided that that "unspecified player" just had to be put on the floor then why it didn't at least put on a proper replacement? I don't know, man... I mean, I just can't believe that you don't see anything wrong with Guard playing as a Power Forward... I just can't.


The coach is dumb, and thats ok ... Else i don't see it Skills, in my tema such thinks normaly works not tahat bad, maybe it isn't the strongest player who take the spot but normalyy someone who brings one or 2 key skills.

PS: I got an Point guard who could play center, those proposoal are just proposals ... For me this PG is more PF then PG, but he usually plays at SF.

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38726.23 in reply to 38726.22
Date: 7/21/2008 6:21:04 AM
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Because game not that easy an shouldn't be that easy?

There is a difference between "game just being too hard" and "Game engine disobeying orders". A HUGE difference which you, unfortunately, just can't see.

If you choose strictly follow deph chart and you sent an rooster with backups etc. it works, but without it the coach sees the problems and takes care of the alone playe.

Interesting. This post(38726.19), though, says something totally opposite. And unlike yours, that is not just an assumption, but someones real life experience.

Why you take players with you who should not play?

I don't have a clue what you wanted to say with that.

The coach is dumb, and thats ok...

That's O.K.? No comment.

PS: I got an Point guard who could play center, those proposoal are just proposals ... For me this PG is more PF then PG, but he usually plays at SF.

You're talking about YOUR player, a player who could, quote:"who could play center..." and I'm talking about MY Guard who is 6'1" and who doesn't have any inside skills. I mean, whatever.
I'm just stupid for having this discussion still going. I mean, obviously, you've already set up your mind and no matter what I say here will change that. I mean, whatever. I don't care. We'll see, though, what's gonna be your opinion on this whole thing when same B.S. happens to you.










Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 7/21/2008 6:27:02 AM

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38726.24 in reply to 38726.23
Date: 7/21/2008 6:27:45 AM
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Interesting. This post(38726.19), though, says something totally opposite. And unlike yours, that is not just an assumption, but someones real life experience.


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I'm just stupid for having this discussion still going. I mean, obviously, you've already set up your mind and no matter what I say here will change that. I mean, whatever. I don't care. We'll see, though, what's gonna be your opinion on this whole thing when same B.S. happens to you.


it happens few times, but thats no bug thats how the game is going, else it was to easy to give the full training. And i could promise you, that your starter get exchange in a blowout situation with 10 guys in the rooster ... If you got 9 one could play the full game etc. But you also stand the risk that someone gets minutes through fouls or injuries who get 20 min training in a position he doesn't really profitate from.

Afew tweaks i want to see to at the blowout rules, but that ain't something for the bug forum it was for the suggestion part.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/21/2008 6:28:09 AM

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38726.25 in reply to 38726.20
Date: 7/21/2008 7:13:01 PM
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Try doing the following...
1 - Don't roster someone that you don't want to play. Even if u don't put him in depth chart there is a chance of him getting into the game for a few mins.
2 - Put all the depth chart with different starter/backup/reserve for each position.
3 - In the position u need training 48 mins select the same player for starter/backup/reserve.

Until today it never failed me! ;)

As somebody said earlier the coach is dumb... use ur intelligence to work arround his dumbness! :D

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38726.26 in reply to 38726.15
Date: 7/24/2008 11:58:29 AM
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If BB wants to do a justice, they should look up into games we're complaining about and then, IF they find our complains reasonable, then they should do their utmost to find a way to somehow compensate our loses rather than just say:"We're sorry."

With all due respect, they simply have no time for this. I hope you can at least understand that.
They are present, more then we suspect, but there are just 24 hours in 1 day, and so much they can do... Don't think that if they do not react, they didn't read it. They might not be able to read all, but I know they read much, and if it is in their power, they try to do the best they can to make everyone happy. Unfortunatly they can't.

They are not your friends; they dispise you. I am the only one you can count on. Trust me.
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