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57629.16 in reply to 57629.5
Date: 11/14/2008 11:49:00 AM
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Also you might wonder why some players tend to shoot more than other players with the same skill set. That, as well, is linked to the hidden attribute.

I think the same.

Going back to the foul problem:
We all know that a player in foul trouble will defend less effectively. Do you think this is also reflected in the team ratings? Personally I doubt it.


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57629.17 in reply to 57629.15
Date: 11/14/2008 12:49:43 PM
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Okay, well then that should be the only explanation. So you could say that when buying players, you should look at the boxscore too.

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57629.18 in reply to 57629.17
Date: 11/14/2008 12:53:20 PM
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Yeah the boxscore is definiately important. Basicly I just won't buy players who average more than 3 PFs a game, except when they are really special hehe.

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57629.19 in reply to 57629.18
Date: 11/14/2008 1:31:45 PM
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Or very cheap :D

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57629.21 in reply to 57629.20
Date: 11/14/2008 6:46:27 PM
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I think it's probably the same as any other skill, with a range of maybe 0-20 or maybe less. I do think that there are different kinds of hidden attributes though. I don't think there is one hidden attribute or factor that explains the behavior of the player. There are no players that shoot a lot and foul a lot. There are ones that shoot a lot and ones that foul a lot, which makes me believe that they are affected by different kinds of hidden attributes.

@ arsjitekt

I definitely recommend checking boxscores before you decide to sign a player. I for one believe that boxscores give more information on the player than the skillset they have. The reason for this is that i have owned some players with a respectable skillset out performing players with a sensational skillset. The reason for this i do not know, but because of this I spend more time analyzing the player's boxscores from several seasons. On top of that you'll find out how he'll play on average at your team, taking into account the difference in divisions, ofcourse. Let's say the player you want to sign shoots 60% in a division II of spain. He'll probably shoot the same % at your team in division II. Maybe a bit less if he gets transfered to a Div I environment. So you'll need to do a bit of comparing in order for you to get a more accurate idea of how the player will play when gets transfered to you.

What i have noticed is that the higher the skill of a player, doesn't necessarily means he'll be better. I have no doubt any of you have noticed some players having better ratings than players with a better defense skill. Also i have seen players with, let's say, prominent inside shot, shoot 60% while a player with marvelous Inside shot soot less than 50%. I have ofcourse taken into account the opponent, division, skillset etc. Also i've seen many examples of players who will shoot the same FG%, throughout several seasons, even though they went from mediocre to sensational Inside shot. You might say it has to do with the opponent. They probably have trained ID and neutralizes the IS training. What i believe is that IS shot doesn't try to increase your FG%, but rather maintain the FG% the player has assigned to. What does this mean? Another hidden attribute? maybe. It's just a theory but i believe that Inside D tries to lower your opponents FG% whereas IS trains to maintain their FG%. So basically, IS tries to counter the effect of ID. This theory sounds flawed because you are not able to increase your FG%, but the opponent is able to decrease it. The main argument of mine, that backs up this theory is that i rarely see players shoot 30% in season 2, but because of training, shoot 55% in season 6. This doesn't make this theory solid whatsoever, but does raise questions. At least it does for me :) There are a lot of factors that might affect FG% and any other phenomenon, but i can't help and blame it on hidden attributes :P How many there are, what they do, what kind of value they have, i have no clue. But i strongly believe that players shouldn't be judged solely on the skillset you see, like most managers tend to do. I sometimes just completely ignore the skillset and purchase a player based on his boxscores. The problem is that i value players differently than the rest of the BB community. That's why I don't have a nice daytrade profit anymore :P

I might be over analyzing it though.

:Note: what i mean by skillset is. JS,ID,JR, Passing etc... the whole package.

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 11/14/2008 6:56:09 PM

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57629.22 in reply to 57629.21
Date: 11/14/2008 8:15:05 PM
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oh my GOd!

riceball of among all the things i read here in BB, this thing you wrote makes the most buzzing for me.

it does make sense now for me to realize how my team is run.

but i need m0re info to come to a conclusion. hope you dont mind me sending bbmail :D

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57629.23 in reply to 57629.21
Date: 11/14/2008 8:36:28 PM
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Also i have seen players with, let's say, prominent inside shot, shoot 60% while a player with marvelous Inside shot soot less than 50%. I have ofcourse taken into account the opponent, division, skillset etc


maybe their team lacked a good PG to get them the ball in high percentage positions? yet another factor working behind the scenes

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57629.24 in reply to 57629.23
Date: 11/14/2008 10:22:02 PM
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Well i ran a respectable Offensive flow for half a season. With 2 prolific passers, 1 prodigious passer and 1 prominent one. Didn't help at all. I still have no clue how Offensive Flow helps a team in anyway. It certainly does sound good on paper to have a good offensive flow, but it doesn't really show in the end result. On top of that the guy with prodigious passing tends to shoot around 10 attempts per game. And the other two prolific ones did pretty much the same thing. Very frustrating. So i ended up selling all of them... :P

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57629.25 in reply to 57629.22
Date: 11/14/2008 10:31:39 PM
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oh my GOd!

riceball of among all the things i read here in BB, this thing you wrote makes the most buzzing for me.

it does make sense now for me to realize how my team is run.

but i need m0re info to come to a conclusion. hope you dont mind me sending bbmail :D


I love BBmails. Send them :P