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From: dabomby

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109310.160 in reply to 109310.152
Date: 9/10/2009 1:53:47 PM
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I see Bomby said it hadn't worked, Well, that's his opinion. We might want to be higher rated than we are but we've still created some good players over the past four seasons.



I did say that, and possibly I spoke a little hastily. What I should have said would be more like "It hasn't worked as well as we hoped/needed it to work". I apologize for that and meant no disrespect for the coaches we've had, I think you have all done a superior job with what you've had available to you.

We've got some excellent players in the English system, and I would guess (I admit I haven't followed it recently) that we actually have a few very good youngsters as well. Much of the credit for what we do have goes to the NT coaches and the largely thankless work they do.

Again I do apologize if anyone felt offended. I'll leave this conversation for now as I'm not in the right frame of mind to express my thoughts clearly.

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109310.161 in reply to 109310.160
Date: 9/10/2009 2:04:23 PM
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I agree with you guys, off course we have some decent players in both the NT and U21 team. Secondly I dont think anyone else would have done a much better job with the tools available to the U21 teams as has been done over the last few seasons. However, look at the slow decline off the U21 team and the positive direction the NT is going. We had 2 more losses from qualifying spot, however it could have been alot closer too, all that follow the NT know that...

Do me a favour elmacca and bomby, have a search on the TS market and tell me how many english players you would really consider buying, and training? I have only 2 on my bookmarks. I have been looking for a over a whole season now for an english trainee, and either they are way over priced and never sell or they are simply not good enough.

Off course some will be trained by their coaches, but I have a feeling, this isnt done most off the time and we are loosing out quite alot. Than please have a look at all the draftees in the top division and all the 2nd divisions and look how many all star players with a salary higher off 4000 you see. The same goes for last season. When I did this research I could cry seriously. I know we cant change this, but these are the facts. It is noones fault, noones lack off dedication, just parts off the game we cant control and that we have to accept.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/10/2009 2:04:48 PM

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109310.162 in reply to 109310.161
Date: 9/10/2009 2:29:03 PM
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Could you answer my question? I really want to know what are your plans for solving that

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109310.163 in reply to 109310.161
Date: 9/10/2009 2:35:25 PM
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well, 3, the good news is I'm bidding on one, heroics is on another and loosers from anfield on the third, so that's a potential starting SF, PF and C right there ;-)

From: Elmacca

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109310.164 in reply to 109310.163
Date: 9/10/2009 2:43:38 PM
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Joachim Toranzos (10814380) also has good potential, if you are training ID first ;-)

Seriously, he's the only other one I found in the 3800-4399 bracket with superstar+ potential.

It's a very thin crop, I think I had about 19 peren allstar and 4k+

However, that could well be because coaches are a lot more aware of which players are worth keeping and not putting the best trainees on the TL. We really need elboss to tell us how many old 18yrperen+ English players with 4s.400 salary there are. Or 7k+ 19yr olds with superstar+

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109310.165 in reply to 109310.164
Date: 9/10/2009 2:48:25 PM
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lol going to be fun with all off us english betting on these 4 english players :) that is why i normally steer clear to more cheaper foreign import... However now I am running for the U21 team I cant really do that, can I??

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109310.166 in reply to 109310.164
Date: 9/10/2009 2:54:04 PM
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he is a decent prospect, but only for the very new coaches out there. I think he is not worth anything in the 2nd or first division, so I would be understandable if a coach wouldnt train him...

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Date: 9/10/2009 2:54:48 PM
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Joachim Toranzos (10814380) he is a decent prospect, but only for the very new coaches out there. I think he is not worth anything in the 2nd or first division, so I would be understandable if a coach wouldnt train him... Let me put it like this, he would never ever add anything to my team, how well trained he is...

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109310.168 in reply to 109310.159
Date: 9/10/2009 3:03:36 PM
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sorry for not repsonding any time earlier, i was doing some other things...

It isnt as black and white as you describe it and as I think you understand what I said, but I am more than happy to explain.

Every U21 team will start with their best players available to them in their U21 campaign, so would I when I get elected. However I would right from the start select a few players too and add them to the squad that I believe have a chance making it into the U21 team and that are being trained. Just so that every time when a coach looks at the player in their own roster, they get a reminder as to why they are training this player and so that they keep doing this.

I would even try to win games, perhaps we have a good enough set off players and lady luck is on our side and we beat finland in our second game, than why not try and go all the way. However, once it is clear we loose horribly, why not let a few prospects play? They do get experience etc, something as I have said before will have an impact on future games. Why keep playing players when you have no chance in winning and that are after 1 or 2 seasons too old to play? I think it would be better to mix and try and get a balance, so that you can still win a few games and instead off only the coaches that have 20 and 21 year old players also give the feeling to coaches with 18 and 19 year olds that they are involved into the U21 team. if these younger players would play, even if it is on the bench, I would inform their coaches and hope they will watch their players play live...

Your idea to do this once a season in 1 game is great, however I dont think you will keep these players focused to the U21 team with just giving their players 1 game.

I hope it is alot clearer now and if it isnt please point out which part you dont understand and I am more than happy to explain it in more detail...

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109310.169 in reply to 109310.168
Date: 9/10/2009 3:11:25 PM
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I understand what you said. But you forget 1 part. There are more than 6 or 7 18 year old players that are going to be trained. Or at least that will start being trained as soon as their manager knows that his player will have a chance to go to the NT. What would be the criteria to select them?

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109310.170 in reply to 109310.169
Date: 9/10/2009 3:16:23 PM
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What would be the criteria to select them?

you have already asked me this question before and I answered, that I dont know, because I havent asked yet to have a look at the database with possible U21 players available to me. I have a broad idea as to what I know what is available, but I dont think I should have access to this database unless I get elected as the U21 manager and until than I cant decided what the average level is for suitable players and therefore I cant select them. I would probably, if these players would be good enough work with a squad off around 20 players. as I said before 12-15 real squad members and the rest I would fill with what is needed etc... Off course also depending on what opponents we get...

What criteria would you use to select your U21 players?

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