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I think you just shot to the title of the most patronising player in England, quite a feat I assure you.

You have never seen it because you never looked.

No actually that isn't true. You assume I don't know what I am talking about just like you assume that for pretty much everyone you speak to on the forums. Actually I could give you from our offsite records every single drafted player in the English community for the last 3 years with stats potential 4 and up. I could give you that because - I put it together!

I'm poor and building my arena, so I can't be as generous!

Lose the chip on your shoulder about this. I've read what you post on the other forums and you wave this at everyone who has a bigger arena than you as if they are supposed to feel sorry for you. It's not like we all had the same start is it...

I haven't been around 20-21 seasons without winning anything either. In 15-16 seasons we will see if that holds true for me too or if I will end up winless as well. ;)

Is that supposed to be a dig? If so it is laughable, I dont really care if I win or not, keeping my players fit for the NT takes precedence over winning for me. What interests me is that you actually spent time looking up my team, how long I am active, how my teams have done in order to get ammunition to put me down on the forum to win a point? Stalk much?

Oh and I skipped the babble about training after you suggested that IS can pop 3 times in 4 weeks at 23... lol

Forgive me, but you have started to throw baseless accusations around and I have stood up for myself which I rarely do. Now I am going to do what I promised a few people I would do. Leave this thread well alone because you are turning it into a circus.

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/9/2014 10:47:40 AM

No actually that isn't true. You assume I don't know what I am talking about just like you assume that for pretty much everyone you speak to on the forums. Actually I could give you from our offsite records every single drafted player in the English community for the last 3 years with stats potential 4 and up. I could give you that because - I put it together!

Ok, well done we're all grateful for your hard work. I assume you can go and check and you really should.

Lose the chip on your shoulder about this. I've read what you post on the other forums and you wave this at everyone who has a bigger arena than you as if they are supposed to feel sorry for you. It's not like we all had the same start is it...

It is what it is. Assuming that people with <15k arena can afford to splash millions on trainees, as people who haven't spent a cent on arena for 12 seasons is not intellectually honest. You do nobody a favour if you suggest he should save to invest millions on trainees rather than their arena.

But you are not in the EBBL so you cant be that...

I assumed this was the usual patronizing way of saying or implying: you have no right to talk. That you started around 20 seasons ago (history) and that you have 0 trophies is something that I've looked into some time ago. I always found it grand considering the way you hold yourself in the forums and elsewhere.

I skipped the babble about training after you suggested that IS can pop 3 times in 4 weeks at 23... lol

Ignorance real or feigned isn't funny. Now take your training simulators and check what the elastic effect training IS on a 6'10'' 23yo with 4.95/12.5/9.2/16.5 inside skills is. I daresay that the lack of knowledge about the elastic effect (if this is what it is and not just another instance of superficial + arrogant behaviour) is very worrying for the assumed (and self proclaimed) trainer maximo England.

This is already something that emerged when the ATG 19yo guard went for sale and people said you shouldn't train 1v1 first for a guard.

Leave this thread well alone because we are turning it into a circus.

We both contributed to this, so I fixed it for you . The fact you don't realise it or are not willing to accept it and that you think it was ok to act as the repository of truth and omniscient knowledge about any aspect of the game, including demeaning more than one person in this very thread, leaves me speechless.

But yes, we should take this off the forums and continue privately, if you feel compelled to put me in my place some more than you've tried to do here.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/9/2014 11:18:23 AM

At the end of the day, the main concern of this thread is the lack of NT guards coming through.

Haven't seen much here that offers insight into why that's happened or, more to the point, what can be done to sort it out.

It seems to me that our players are developed brilliantly to u21 level and then just go missing. I'd argue aged 22-24 players should be good to lead promotion charges from m div 3 to the EBBL. Or sold off to fund arena building.

At 25 and above, they should be centerpieces of staying in the EBBL or sold off (at which point EBBL teams should be all over them).

And EBBL teams need NT players to compete for titles.




Last edited by Elmacca at 12/9/2014 11:25:44 AM

I am tempted to drop out and train another 2, but I would like to enjoy my two at least for a couple more seasons.

You, more than anyone, have done your bit for the NT.

Last edited by Elmacca at 12/9/2014 11:27:45 AM

I'd do it again in a snap if I knew Innes and Mac would stay in England

I was planning to post earlier today, but decided to go about my own business and leave people to sort out their differences.

Now I see I don't need to post as Elmacca has very eloquently said what I was thinking. So thanks to him.

If I do need to reiterate:

At the end of the day, the main concern of this thread is the lack of NT guards coming through.

Haven't seen much here that offers insight into why that's happened or, more to the point, what can be done to sort it out.

It seems to me that our players are developed brilliantly to u21 level and then just go missing. I'd argue aged 22-24 players should be good to lead promotion charges from m div 3 to the EBBL. Or sold off to fund arena building.

At 25 and above, they should be centerpieces of staying in the EBBL or sold off (at which point EBBL teams should be all over them).

And EBBL teams need NT players to compete for titles.

Lets just stick to debating England's problems rather than our own with each other. I hate to take sides in this little issue, but since Vecx is threatening to walk I feel I have to.

I first talked to Vecx many seasons ago, in chat, while he was going through his 0-44 stretch to get to d3. I've known about his two trainees since he bought them. I've spent time with him watching countless u21 and NT games over a period of many seasons. First when Morwood was coach, then when Vecx took over, and of course during my own period as NT coach. His insights into the game/training etc are priceless. I'd like to think he gets something from our chats too. We can't afford to lose his input in this thread and elsewhere.

We really don't need Mourinho-like bollocks about Wenger being a specialist in failure. Nor do we need the distraction in this thread.

I think if one thing is clear, the EBBL isn't the only place we can find arrogance.

I'd do it again in a snap if I knew Innes and Mac would stay in England

I can't afford them.

Trouble is they are B3-knock out level players so the only way to guarantee that is to keep them on your roster, as there is a good chance that some B3 contender with mega deep pockets will snap them up. Look what Gazza cost Mikramus, and he was 31...

At the end of the day, the main concern of this thread is the lack of NT guards coming through.

The problem with guards is that you really can't punt much anywhere (except JS+JR while pushing IS for PGs) and the salary will grow quite quickly. Also training them for the NT would require to set up the elastic effect so that in later seasons the player will still pop reasonably fast. This might work a bit against getting the player in the U21.

Again: I've seen advice to avoid 1v1 at the beginning and I believe that's just plain inefficient from a training perspective. If the people who trained NT guards could share their insight, it would be great.

Training skills in a different order might yield very very different results (due mainly to the elastic effect). I think generally this information is not so easy to find on the forums, but it is vital knowledge which should be available to every English manager. Perhaps I will try to collate information on this which is already available on the forums and create a new post, when I have the time.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/9/2014 11:51:25 AM

Mac is solid but Innes is the gold, he is basically Hána (who I modeled my training plan around) with a bit more added. He is over or equal to him in all but 1 stat which I am working on ;), the only thing he lacks is experience. But can I cope with 5 more seasons without doing another training drive? - I so want to try an SF / SG lol