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I don't think it's the offsite we necessarily need to back up. It's about backing up the team and asking good questions to find the right candidate.

I agree with this and for the most part, apart from perhaps Nova getting all ranty (and I do disagree with the sabotage sentiment) and thegame seeming to not want to connect with the existing offsite community and process apart from the pieces he's interested in, this offsite vs. non-offsite talk has been an overblown point that not many people are making. All of us want the USA to win Gold, not just GOLDBEAR. So regardless of whether you win or not, how will you contribute to this? Phyr is the only manager who has been involved previously and committed to being involved in a substantial way, win or lose. For me personally, that says something.

Phyr, if scouting is so key and you were able to salvage the system when key offsiters left, which I agree you did admirably, do you have a plan in place to teach or recruit others who can also handle the scouting should you someday decide not to carry it out anymore?

thegame, my concern with what you continue to say is that you give off an air of being above reproach, that you have learned everything there is to know about managing and that you will always come up with the best decision. With all the different managers from the offsite, who already eagerly want to help the U21 team, expressing to you concern over a plan to exclude them from the game planning process, which has proven to be successful, you seem unwilling to budge at all or even consider anything otherwise. I think this is a flaw in managerial skills in communicating well because anyone can make decisions, in fact everyone does and in those moments everyone probably believes their decision is the best decision, but being a national team manager, especially in a large nation with the need to have the help of other managers like the US, also involves being able to work well with people on all fronts. If multiple people, who could be of value to you, are expressing a concern to you over your desire to immediately change a process that has worked well, which would involve cutting out some people's participation and possible interest, are you at least able to see from their viewpoint and honestly consider if there is a better option than yours? No one is asking you to hold a vote every time you need to make a decision and strictly go by that, which is not how the offsite game planning tends to work anyways, we're simply of the belief that ultimately, having more voices in the room will allow for the most and best possible decisions to rise to the top. And in fact, if you'd go back and read some of the game planning threads, you'd notice that is a part of the reason why we've had our recent success. And you'll also notice that sometimes magiker, Phyr or EBW made calls against the grain of the majority which proved to be successful. Both sides, a capable manager and more brains to think through decisions, are valuable in my eyes and it bothers me that you think half of that is better than both.

oriolekid, why should we pick you over the other candidates? I believe the last time you popped back up in getting involved in NT affairs was a previous election. I get that you've helped in the past and run a lot but what else?

And GOLDBEAR, i'm just really confused by you. I can't tell if I should actually take you seriously or not.

Last edited by A Warrior at 8/8/2015 12:54:15 AM

Phyr, if scouting is so key and you were able to salvage the system when key offsiters left, which I agree you did admirably, do you have a plan in place to teach or recruit others who can also handle the scouting should you someday decide not to carry it out anymore?

Yes, I successfully showed RamQ how to do when he was elected NT manager.

The purpose of the America's tournament is get an automatic bid to Worlds. That is more important then "winning" the tournament. We accomplished that task. I took us to the Worlds finals. Where we are today is a stronger U21 program than the program that I took over in S30.

Just because you keep saying things over and over again does not make them true.

Regardless of the purpose of the tournament, we won it 7 times in a row before your term.
Yes, you took us to the Worlds finals. Which we had won twice in a row before your term.

Winning tournaments may not be important to you, but I feel very differently.

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Last edited by GOLDMEMBEAR at 8/8/2015 1:47:33 AM

I wasn't making things up as I think you've just been a bit inconsistent in your messaging. You've been consistent about saying you'd participate less in game planning, but that tends to insinuate ignoring other's input, and you have said you would only involve particular people and made disparaging comments to what you'd categorize as a fake manager who consults with others in game planning, though as has been reiterated that no national team manager has functioned as a "spokesman of a committee".

It is more the game planning side of things I don't see myself using as much as what you guys do at the moment. Outside of some initial scouting and maybe listening to some experienced managers on their thoughts, I don't think I would be involving myself to much in that kind of group decision. I would be running for manager because I think that "I" have good idea of what tactics to run etc, and would look to take that responsibility for myself with less outside input than previous managers have in the past.

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I would expect that they would still run a game planning thread, and I would expect that I would read over it (maybe not for every game, but for bigger games I expect I would). What I wouldn't expect to do is really get involved with the discussion myself. I also don't really "confirm" my tactics with anyone pre game, but I may BB-Mail someone (these being where I was talking about experienced managers) to discuss certain parts of GP.

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its also my opinion that I can put out tactics and lineups on my own, its also my opinion that these are key parts of the managers job and if he aint making those calls himself then he aint a real manger (That sounds harsher than its meant to, and in the interests of stopping another wave of insults I will be clear: I am not saying that a person in that situation is not good at running a team, or managing training, or even couldn't have success. I simply mean I see that type of manager as kind of the spokesman in a committee when it comes to making game day calls)

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Regardless, if this is where you really do stand, that's good to hear. Can't say i'm convinced to vote for you but I appreciate hearing that.

I think the most important part of gameplanning is doing the opposition research. The U21 manager needs to do more than just lead the discussion. They have to do their homework and make that they have all of the information ready before you can even talk about tactics.

I think it is safe to say this is a cornerstone of the entire game. Not just the national level.

I have a chart with the complete history of each opponent's games including Score, Result, GDP usage, whether the GDP was correct or incorrect, did they use enthusiasm, and all their game ratings (OS, IS, OD, ID, RB , Flow).

Once again, I am sure we all do this. Or everyone just logs into buzzermanager to check team records? (addicting by the way)

Any USA owner can register for an account and contribute to the discussion. The idea that there is some small group of owners controlling the offsite is kinda of funny coming from someone who wants to create some secret email chain and have a small cabinet of "trusted owners". Doesn't sound like a community to me. During the finals, IIRC nearly 20 patriotic American BBers contributed to the gameplanning. The more people that contribute the better IMHO. Different perspective give you different insights that you can use.

Email is so much faster and more convenient.

But in the end advice is advice, and the manager is the one that has to make the tough call.

Your're right. And America needs to elect a manager that can make the right ones.

There is no Buzzer-Manager for U21/NT play. USA needs a manager that has proved that they can put the work in, not one that is full of hot air. Please add some substance to this debate.

Last edited by Phyr at 8/8/2015 7:49:21 AM

Right, the people saying "but we only got silver during continentals" are grossly misinformed. You accomplish auto-bid for worlds simply getting to the finals. Winning or losing that game does not matter.

“Winning is a habit. Watch your thoughts, they become your beliefs. Watch your beliefs, they become your words. Watch your words, they become your actions. Watch your actions, they become your habits. Watch your habits, they become your character.” - Vince Lombardi

Winning matters to me. I hope that we find that the majority of Americans care about winning as well.

Major decisions, such as finals tactics, would not be openly discussed anywhere. I would implement a new email based communication system for things of this nature and for scheduling discussions. (i.e. mailing lists, cc's, etc) It would be much easier for managers to schedule time for a meeting when they have the information on their phone.

I'm confused. You've been talking the whole time about not letting a selective group of people run the U21, but that's what you're proposing here. You want a small group of people to e-mail about tactics, that sounds worse than what you were against before. Please explain.

Oh, and you still haven't explained how you're going to win. How are you going to get the gold?