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I think you of all people should understand what I am talking about:P
4 overpriced listings ended tonight in estonian top league without any of those players selling, rangeing from 3-5mil.
If you would have listed that 1mil player @ 750k would it have sold? If those 2 other managers chose two other players, perhaps your player was not worth the money. I know prices can change, playoffs, start of the season, free agents removed.
You need to understand this: players have a value range, listing that "1mil" player that does not sell for 750k will give you a bid even on off hours, you might get few more bids at peak hours. If none has bid on him for 3 days, he is not worth the money at that point of time.
I'm tired of explaining the same things over and over again. I feel I have made my point so it's all up to BB's to decide. I know these managers who milk this option exist and I will keep an eye on them regardless how this suggestion turns out. One fine usually works wonders and I will be there when they mess up :P

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/11/2010 3:51:08 PM

Mate - You have never paid more than $2mil for a player, never received more than $2mil for a player and currently have 1 player (sorry to judge on salary alone) that may fetch you $3mil +. You can only imagine how the increased skills impact game performance as opposed to having first hand experience.

Until you are involved in making purchases, receiving money and owning players that you pass your critique on your judgement in my eyes means precious little. You've seen argument upon argument from other recognized managers, you've been given live examples of recent trades that throw most of your theory out the window.

I personally believe you just have a lot of cash sitting in your account and you are too miserly to make a bold move to upgrade a couple of players that could lead you to (heaven forbid) to a position where you can challenge to promote up to Division 1. I can only assume you are waiting until you have an enormous cash balance where upon you will pick up 4-5 new players and steam roller your way to promotion. Maybe you are just policing the Estonain leagues in the attempt to pick up some bargain local players?!

Either way, its like a paper trader saying oh i could be buying/selling stocks making great money each week. Well if thats the case, step up and do it. Til then the market is self-regulating and I trust my instincts on player values and when uncertain have plenty of guys willing to give 2nd opinions. I assume we will have some correlation on values but you need to widen your ranges as players skillsets go beyond those of the players you use in your day to day experience of BB. You also need to have more faith in the system to penalise the isolated cases this thread was originally about.

So, here are numbers from my team, transfer price $ 5M+ since 01/01/2009

Sold players with only 1 bid: 4
Sold players with 2+ bids: 3
Bought players with only 1 bid: 1
Bough players with 2+ bids: 6 (1 of them was FA, so count only 5)

It really doesn't look like 5% and even like 20%.

As Superfly wrote, make some own experience than you are judging something.

Because I have not bought any players in that range does not mean I do not know how much players are worth.

I personally believe you just have a lot of cash sitting in your account and you are too miserly to make a bold move to upgrade a couple of players that could lead you to (heaven forbid) to a position where you can challenge to promote up to Division 1.

That's where you are wrong. I have been building my arena. So my cash has never been over 2,3mil. If I see an upgrade I'll buy him. Usually players I am interested in will get a lot of bids and end up selling well over their listed value. A lot of players that I see with my search are overpriced compared to their skill, but I would not buy them even if they were listed for 100k. Why? because I only buy upgrades. Some people do not understand the players, thus they buy depending on their funds and looking at current dmi or salary.
I am policing Estonian leagues because I want atleast Estonia to be clean. For honest old players and new players.

Either way, its like a paper trader saying oh i could be buying/selling stocks making great money each week. Well if thats the case, step up and do it.

I will never do it, even if I am capable of doing it. I have certain values. Trading players seems so against fair play (for me atleast). Just to buy someone for the purpose of selling. Daytrading (or weektrading) borderline cheating or atleast the line between them is "vague" at most. So if you see someone stealing in the supermarket and he does not get caught? You steal also? Not my moto. Without people like me reporting those transfers, a lot of the fishy transfers might not get fined.

"So if you see someone stealing in the supermarket and he does not get caught? You steal also? Not my moto. Without people like me reporting those transfers, a lot of the fishy transfers might not get fined."


That is a bad example. It is more like me going to a second hand shop or a garage sale and buying something that I think is good value, and then holding my own garage sale and selling it for a profit.

Nothing wrong with it.

I would be a playoff team in Nippon 1.div, would that make a difference? I can evolve as fast as Estonia let's me (without daytrading).

So like gipsys? Knowing you sell something that is not worth half that much? Deliberately trying to cheat more money out of people who do not know the correct price?

So like gipsys? Knowing you sell something that is not worth half that much? Deliberately trying to cheat more money out of people who do not know the correct price?

That is flawed logic. How do you know that I am selling something that isn't worth half that much? Maybe I bought it for half of what it is worth, and then resold it for what its worth.

How do you feel about the teams that buy players for scrimmages for $1k and then dump them.. is that cheating because they aren't playing their scrimmages ethically? Most of these players aren't even worth $1k yet managers list them knowing there are plenty of clubs willing to pay maybe 2/3 even $4k for a temporary player that can help manage minutes and reduce the chance of injury to more important players.

Now if a $1mil guy sells for $4mil there would be outcry - should we therefore deduct money from all managers that receive $4k for a player they listed for $1k that is used purely for the purposes of a scrimmage?

Yes you are correct that happens and it will not get fined. But we are talking about managers that constantly list their players overpriced. Deliberately. As you have said before: you think players are valued by you (if you think player is worth 1mil, he is worth 1mil), which is not actually true. Players have theyr value range and you can't will a player valued at 500k to be 1mil all of a sudden.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/12/2010 5:08:49 AM

You can take that $1k as a minimal contract signing. Cheating would be if you buy your player for scrimmage that is worth below 1k and then try to sell him at a price let's say 10k. I see nothing wrong with buying and then releaseing the player after scrimmage to cut wages.
Cheating and overpriceing can be done with players in any range, even those valued below 5k.