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At PF.....easily player B....is that some kind of joke. And I am the U-21 coach which means, training OD and passing on bigs while they are young is very important. Your player A looks good for a Per. Allstar with no chance of making the senior squad, but for MVP's and HOF players...Got to get those secondaries out of the way early. Thanks for your input, but isn't U-21 the stepping stone for the NT team? I think we just are playing the game in two different countries and it shows. In your world, ruining a player by capping him out without secondaries is cool because you have so much talent to choose from. In Japan, we don't have that luxury. We get maybe two or three decent MVP/HOF players a season in the draft. And as U-21 manager, I will try my hardest to make sure they are trained right and not abandoned like Shinaga did to Kishita.
For example;
Take the young HOF player Takabe..(Sorry Brutus Buckeye but he is a beast now)..yeah he is going to be a PG/SG in the future, but he came out of the draft with level 1 ID....sure he didn't need to train it in your and Shinaga's world, but for him to make the next step...I informed him he should train it...and BOOOOOOM...6 ID POPs...
BTW....The managers don't have to listen to me if they don't want. But if their player gets passed up by another player on the depth chart, it is the managers problem not mine. I can only direct them, I can't force them to train what I want.

Last edited by Yellow cake at 9/4/2013 10:23:14 AM

In scrimmage news.....we will have game three with the Saudis. They took game 1....we took game 2...should be fun to watch. Next Monday at 6pm....

Feel free to take part... but in Nippon (and other nations of small size) - with our limited player pool - it is absolutely imperative that the U21 manager and the NT manager work together. The U21 manager absolutely should be preparing players for NT duty, not simply focusing on his team.

And you have to understand... Shinaga's questioning (and at times, it seems constant) is more about his player and trying to discredit YC as the U21 manager than anything else. I suspect as we get closer to elections, the more it will ramp up.

Last edited by malice at 9/4/2013 5:32:10 PM

Great post Wolph....I wanted to give you a ball, but I already balled your other post.

Maybe I can't express myself clear enough.
My point is, that if I want to build (say) a future NT PF, the fist skill I am going to train will be... OD. For at least a season, maybe. Meanwhile the primary pumped trainees will be far far away on the road to U21, don't they? By 22nd year I'd most likely train OD and ID only, and then some JR/PA. Slowest training first. The player is expected to be ready near his 25-26 birthday, but at this point he will be one of those 3M valued world class PFs.

That's the reason I said that U21 and NTs are different teams, with different strategies and trainings

Then you're on the same page as us... once you realise that we simply don't have a) the manager-base to have a multitude of players being trained for the two teams... and b) the players coming through the draft (every now 'n then, you see a 22-25yo guy with MVP/HOF who has been ruined by either non-training or absolutely stupid training).
The fact is, it's a limited pool - both with players AND managers.

To be quite frank, I think we're hitting slightly above our weight with the NT now - and that's only because a few dedicated managers took on what needs to be built. 3-4 seasons ago, our Bigs situation was nigh on dire. And now it's our guards. Imagine what would have happened if our Forwards/Center situation was what it was looking like 4 seasons ago...
Nippon'd be in a very big mess.

The cold, hard reality of the situation is that in Japan, I would estimate that we have fewer than 10 managers who know what they're doing. I'd guess that most of those guys actively seek out information, and understand that it's an ever-evolving process.
8... maybe 9 managers. That's it. It might improve... but some of the managers coming up would have to display a comprehension that they (as yet) still have something to learn.
Thus far, I've not seen it.

Last edited by malice at 9/5/2013 6:31:47 AM