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30905.162 in reply to 30905.159
Date: 10/21/2008 3:24:39 PM
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It may be the poor Canadian educational system, or your French Canadian shining through, but I didn't understand you comment.

I am very curious as to know why you vote thumbs down. I think it'll give me a better understanding of the game, and also so that we know what needs to be improved with the national team.

There isn't enough healthy discussion going on in our Canadian forums. Hpw do we generate a better Nation and U21 team?

From: jbmcrock

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30905.163 in reply to 30905.162
Date: 10/21/2008 3:30:12 PM
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There isn't enough healthy discussion going on in our Canadian forums. Hpw do we generate a better Nation and U21 team?

I will answer this question. Instead of teams hording young talent, drafted 18 yr-olds with high salaries should be sold to be trained by another team (unless that team can devote sufficient training resources) - perhaps by another Canadian team. With a small user base, this is the only way to really compete. I am still surprised at the lack of talent on the U21 team. As a comparison, my 20 yr old Romanian SF with a $37k salary can't even make the U21 Romanian team.

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30905.164 in reply to 30905.157
Date: 10/21/2008 3:34:03 PM
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1. My statement that I have not been closely following the national team is hardly an admission that I am too stupid to understand the relative player quality of the opposition.

2. My statement that the team has been there before has nothing to do with overachieving either. If the team has made it before it is perfectly reasonable to believe it can be done again.

3. What does using the forum have to do with it? Are you suggesting
I don't use the forum?

I love how you essentially condemn the ignorant with a statement far more ignorant than the behavior you are condemning. I know enough about whats going on to know that we can get into the top 8, yet you toss out a blanket statement that disagreement = ignorance.

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30905.165 in reply to 30905.163
Date: 10/21/2008 3:40:41 PM
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I will answer this question. Instead of teams hording young talent, drafted 18 yr-olds with high salaries should be sold to be trained by another team (unless that team can devote sufficient training resources) - perhaps by another Canadian team. With a small user base, this is the only way to really compete. I am still surprised at the lack of talent on the U21 team. As a comparison, my 20 yr old Romanian SF with a $37k salary can't even make the U21 Romanian team.


I agree...
Also, Romania is not a large nation as far as BB is concerned, but it just so happens I am subscribed to that forum (as I originate from Romania).
You will be amazed on how much people discuss there and how much involvement and support there is to build the NT teams.

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30905.166 in reply to 30905.165
Date: 10/21/2008 3:51:00 PM
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Ok, good. That means we have to educate Canadian managers what to do this draft season. We are fast approaching, and the more people who hear about it the better. Perhaps even personal BB-Mail to those managers who draft really good players suggesting their possible routes of action.

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30905.167 in reply to 30905.162
Date: 10/21/2008 4:20:25 PM
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I'm a native Anglophone, and I'll put my written skills up against pretty much anyone in this forum. Now let me undermine that last statement by using bullet points to restate my post instead of a beautifully flowing paragraph:

- My approval vote for uflorin has been "No" since very early in his term.
- I do feel I understand this game, and our NT's performance, quite well.
- We're not a top 8 team in talent.
- We have overachieved.
- I ascribe this overachievement to luck, and not to the coach's performance.

I am very curious as to know why you vote thumbs down. I think it'll give me a better understanding of the game, and also so that we know what needs to be improved with the national team.


- Tactical inflexibility. Even if you accept the point that we can't use an inside offense effectively (and I do not accept that), we could at least have made more of a token effort to use other offenses in our most lopsided matchups. We're finding that countries with non-catatonic coaches are able to guess our offensive tactics correctly.

- Roster management. We didn't cut the roster down to 12 at the enthusiasm reset, which is 100% indefensible. We've been carrying the same 14 players for as long as I can remember... possibly as early as week 1 of uflorin's term.

- Gameday player selection. We started players in terrible game shape, and that didn't change until some determined public shaming. Maybe that was a coincidence, I don't know. Player ratings aren't everything, but we're giving non-trivial minutes at SF to players who are pulling ratings in the 6.0-6.5 range. That's unacceptable.

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30905.168 in reply to 30905.167
Date: 10/21/2008 4:40:02 PM
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The result has been good, though. I do agree with uflorin that we're not a top 8 team on talent. I think an objective look at how we got the result shows that it was more despite the coaching than because of it.


I was just bugging you egghead. I think your points were a lot clearer the second time around.

I now understand, and agree with your reasoning for a bad rating. I don't know if we can blame uflorin completely for it though. He has tried to contact GMs and it can be a frustrating job. We also have had little talk over strategy (at least publicly in the forums). I'm keeping my vote "Yes" for now, as I'm more a glass half full kind of person.

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30905.169 in reply to 30905.168
Date: 10/21/2008 4:44:27 PM
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I'm keeping my vote "Yes" for now, as I'm more a glass half full kind of person.


There is no doubt that I'm a glass half-empty person, so maybe that's the difference.

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30905.170 in reply to 30905.168
Date: 10/21/2008 5:03:57 PM
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I now understand, and agree with your reasoning for a bad rating. I don't know if we can blame uflorin completely for it though. He has tried to contact GMs and it can be a frustrating job.


Now it's my turn not to understand. What's this all about??

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30905.171 in reply to 30905.170
Date: 10/21/2008 5:29:46 PM
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I now understand, and agree with your reasoning for a bad rating. I don't know if we can blame uflorin completely for it though. He has tried to contact GMs and it can be a frustrating job.


Now it's my turn not to understand. What's this all about??


I assume by GMs he means users and not Game Masters.

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30905.172 in reply to 30905.171
Date: 10/21/2008 6:07:09 PM
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I'm one of those people who would love to train a potential Canadian U21 player. I would sell off any non-Canadians to raise the cash to buy them and dedicate my training and long term plans strictly to them.

I went back and looked through drafts from season 3. It is frustrating to see how many high level players who were not trained.

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
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