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"So if you see someone stealing in the supermarket and he does not get caught? You steal also? Not my moto. Without people like me reporting those transfers, a lot of the fishy transfers might not get fined."


That is a bad example. It is more like me going to a second hand shop or a garage sale and buying something that I think is good value, and then holding my own garage sale and selling it for a profit.

Nothing wrong with it.

I would be a playoff team in Nippon 1.div, would that make a difference? I can evolve as fast as Estonia let's me (without daytrading).

So like gipsys? Knowing you sell something that is not worth half that much? Deliberately trying to cheat more money out of people who do not know the correct price?

So like gipsys? Knowing you sell something that is not worth half that much? Deliberately trying to cheat more money out of people who do not know the correct price?

That is flawed logic. How do you know that I am selling something that isn't worth half that much? Maybe I bought it for half of what it is worth, and then resold it for what its worth.

How do you feel about the teams that buy players for scrimmages for $1k and then dump them.. is that cheating because they aren't playing their scrimmages ethically? Most of these players aren't even worth $1k yet managers list them knowing there are plenty of clubs willing to pay maybe 2/3 even $4k for a temporary player that can help manage minutes and reduce the chance of injury to more important players.

Now if a $1mil guy sells for $4mil there would be outcry - should we therefore deduct money from all managers that receive $4k for a player they listed for $1k that is used purely for the purposes of a scrimmage?

Yes you are correct that happens and it will not get fined. But we are talking about managers that constantly list their players overpriced. Deliberately. As you have said before: you think players are valued by you (if you think player is worth 1mil, he is worth 1mil), which is not actually true. Players have theyr value range and you can't will a player valued at 500k to be 1mil all of a sudden.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/12/2010 5:08:49 AM

You can take that $1k as a minimal contract signing. Cheating would be if you buy your player for scrimmage that is worth below 1k and then try to sell him at a price let's say 10k. I see nothing wrong with buying and then releaseing the player after scrimmage to cut wages.
Cheating and overpriceing can be done with players in any range, even those valued below 5k.

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary - you refuse to consider any alternative point of view on any given topic. You question the ethics of day trading and proclaim this is something you abhor... but picking up a player who you have no intention of ever using other than to ensure you get proper training and then dumping is ok for you!

There is no difference between either act - day trading just happens to be riskier and involves greater start up capital.

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary

That's a blatant lie. You could read this thread through, I have considered alternatives within this thread.
How can you say daytrading and buying and releasing is the same thing. Please explain.

what alternativ did you post, was it to stand up in the middle of the night to sell at the rigth time one :)

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary

That's a blatant lie. You could read this thread through, I have considered alternatives within this thread.
How can you say daytrading and buying and releasing is the same thing. Please explain.

Take any roster of under 8 players (not normal but within the realms of normality if you are only due to play 2 competitive matches and a scrimmage).

2x5x48 gives 480 mins of to divide amongst your players + 2x48 (assuming 2 position training for your scrimmage trainees) so you now have 576 minutes which if you manage successfully you can get your 8 players 70-80mins (which with a massage doctor should get you optimal GS)

But to get full training you have 3 empty slots in your scrimmage. What do you do?

In your world its alright to buy (even overpay) for $1k players and then dump them, but
In your world its not alright to buy more skilled players for your team and then look to sell them off for a profit after they play in your scrimmage?

If you are lucky the 3 players you play alongside your 2 trainees in your scrimmage will also get 48mins. Surely if someone of the right age and skill was bought and played 48mins and was listed so that he came to his new team with full training and potentially better GS he would be more valuable than at the point you bought him a few days earlier?? If you play any guy under 22/23 in a position like PG or C where the new manager might be single position training this week there is definitely added value to doing so.

You argue about wanting to play the game ethically and buying to dump players is hardly that - its a blatant abuse of a flaw in the system... this is easier to rectify (another topic altogether) but just because someone doesnt want to throw $3k away to buy 3 scrubs one week they get lambasted by you and other anti-day traders for using their cash reserves and putting them to work for them. Why not buy 3 x $100k players and look to re-list and sell for $150k? If you are able to pass them on with more training you are acting more within the strucure of the game than buying just to release people out of the system.