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84879.169 in reply to 84879.168
Date: 1/20/2010 1:32:49 AM
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My player which I'm training will probably be an extremely balanced SF, with over 50+ combined inside skills and hopefully 60+ outside once I'm done. They're damn hard to train because of the inside/outside element, as you know. A SF who can defend inside and outside is desired so we don't need to weaken our lineup to cater for an inside or outside offense. By the end of this season, my trainee Dell'Asta should have 25 combined inside/outside defense, then he just needs to work on his outside shooting.

Darcy is actually a SG, Darvey is the C by the way..

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84879.170 in reply to 84879.168
Date: 1/20/2010 2:38:23 AM
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Firstly no need for an apology its always good to have questions raised about the standard of the team etc. It allows for the best team to be available.

And I just wanted to defend Longhurst who is actually imo a very balanced SF.

Also on the 20 plus combined defensive skills for a SF I have always been more defensive minded and that was corresponded since the speeches I partook in. In the end I need the best players for the team so these are rough guidelines just to give aussie managers an idea on what I am looking for. The best players that fit the team will make the team in the end.

On a further note I feel more and more managers are going to get disappointing if their player doesnt make the team as the Australian community is getting bigger and bigger and the talent pools are also to following that path. This means in future you may be able to train a player to the fullest and he still doesn't make the team because there will be better players. I hope that this doesn't discourage Australian trainers from training Aussie's but that is the going to be the case in the future. For example atm there are alot of big men been trained and I had to leave out some very good big men out of the team that in previous years would have made the team for example bay overton.

I hope in future we don't end up like Italy or Spain where it takes luck, money and a farm team program to be able to cater for the best players Australia can create, instead be able to have everyone from all divisions be able to contribute to the Australian cause.

Cheers

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84879.171 in reply to 84879.170
Date: 1/20/2010 7:18:14 AM
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J-Dog and his team have their style. They pick and manage the team that way. As mentioned Defense is very important to J-Dog. That why I voted for him.

While I must say superficially that Fallon does appear way short to make the Aussie team I would say that yes stats need to be looked at more. I am personally working on something to help the U21 Nat team selection process that takes into account stats.

The thing with stats is. COMPETITION. You are in Div 3. No disrespect but a 13k SF in Div 3 will have better stats than a 30k SF in the ABBL. Its cos its harder to compete. Then you have to take into account the individual leagues. Some are strong inside. Some outside. Stats will be very different and thus the need to base selection on skills.

There are some things we can gleam from stats though. The hidden skills.

Good luck with Fallon and as C-Cat said ratings aren't really the judge of a player. I have players whose ratings are way too high and low for what they contribute. Its a good judge of GS though.

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Date: 3/23/2010 1:25:01 AM
Koopasaurus
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Was just wondering what are the requirements of becoming a U21 manager?

Cos I'm really interested in running for it this season. Just asking to see the general consensus.

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Date: 3/23/2010 4:35:37 AM
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I guess you need to demonstrate the following:

1. You are a active member not just for your team but also for the Australian BB community as well such as participation in national forums be it here or the offsite forum.

2. You know what you are doing as a manager. You need to show and demonstrate you understand what each different tactic does and how it will affect the team and when it is best to use different tactics. Also need to demonstrate that you understand what type of player is best suited for each tactic.

3. You need to be successful. I am going to go out there and say their team must at least be doing very well in div III or higher. (How can you manage a national team if you can't even manage your club team properly?)



Last edited by Monkeybiz at 3/23/2010 4:38:31 AM

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84879.174 in reply to 84879.173
Date: 3/23/2010 5:58:13 AM
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With out wanting to have a crack at you Koop the fact that you don't know what is required suggest to me you shouldn't be running for the job. Your best bet would be to jump on the offsite forum and get involved there and pick the brains of the guys involved there so you can get a full understanding of what is needed.

Head here and sign up if you haven't already

http://forum.buzzerbeaterstats.com


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84879.175 in reply to 84879.174
Date: 3/23/2010 6:33:16 AM
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hehe im on there too and so by association i feel like i was complimented as coachnoodles suggested he pick my brain :)

anyway, i am incredibly busy now but regardless of the i wouldnt run for the position as i don't feel im experienced enough.

In my personal opinion i think our best people running for it are mllama and aussie dude.

I'd also like to see more participation by the better ranked teams in the offsite forum if possible, a lot of people joined recently so i really think we could get a good and active community this season.

thanks guys and hopefully we can do better this season. (not that we didnt do well its just always good to do better)

From: J-Dog

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84879.176 in reply to 84879.175
Date: 3/23/2010 6:39:00 AM
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best people running for it are mllama and aussie dude.


+1 They are the best proven candidates for the job, who I would like to see in the position.

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Date: 3/23/2010 8:12:35 PM
Koopasaurus
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yeah those two will most likely get my vote too, they are prolly the 2 most experienced managers i know.

anyways ive joined the offsite Nt forums, now i just need to get it approved b4 i can start typing stuff in there.

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84879.178 in reply to 84879.168
Date: 3/26/2010 9:54:19 AM
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Reading over some of the things said in this forum, I think I better clear up something that people might have missed on guides or in the forums.

Height is NOT taken into account in the BuzzerBeater Game Engine. Height only matters for training (a small but noticeable increase in speed for SFs)

A Small Forward, in terms of on the court benefit, should not be judged on how tall they are.

This according to the BB creators this just means that a single skill already takes height into account.

For example
A 7'5" player with strong rebounding has the same chance as a 6'1" player with strong rebounding because the 6'1" makes up for his lack of height to equal the taller player in skill level.

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Yes, it is a bit of a stretch but that is just the way it is. And you can trust me since I have been here since season 1, I know these things. Pretty sure the Game Engine changes have not included the introduction of height (unless the BBs are being particularly sneaky and not telling the GMs)

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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Date: 3/26/2010 4:24:06 PM
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Just to add to that example:

Player A is 7'5" with a rebound rating of strong
Player B is 6'1" with a rebound rating of strong

Both players will have the same rebounding effectiveness during a game but Player A will show quicker improvement in rebound training because of his height so that's how it all evens out.

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