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114029.17 in reply to 114029.16
Date: 10/5/2009 11:40:30 AM
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Allright, how about this scenario:

Last week I, a Level V team, played a Level III in a Cup Match. I went CT and it appears he went Normal.
The final score was 86-81 and I even had the lead a few times in the last two minutes.

Is it possible that the fact my team has an average Stamina of around 4.5 mean that I start missing more shots in
the final minutes? That is, combined with the facts that I was trying harder (and presumably, tiring faster)?


There is nothing in the rules saying that if you try harder that you tire faster. My presumption is that your team attitude has no impact on stamina.


As a side note, they were actually beating me worse in the first half. My team made a big charge with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


Again, I do not think judgements can be made for stamina based on collapses in the 4th quarter. There are too many factors at play (experience, for example, can have an impact on your late game performance). The stamina level of your opponent also plays a factor. I also believe that stamina collapses are not limited to the 4th quarter. If you play a player with bad stamina for all of the 1st quarter, you will see him collapse even in the 1st quarter.

It also depends how you played the game. For example, if you go let coach decide, your manager should (in theory) always keep your best line-up out there.

The other thing to consider is this. I play with players who have pretty high levels of stamina. Because of that, my starters usually play close to 40 minutes. This is probably not an optimal strategy, since as I said, even players with great stamina are dog tired after playing 40 minutes.


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114029.18 in reply to 114029.13
Date: 10/5/2009 6:10:20 PM
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fact - stamina is more important when you play haste tactics (look, push, run) than slow tactics.

This has been alleged multiple times, but it's far from a fact.


Is this your opinion or some GM-knowledge?

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Date: 10/5/2009 6:16:16 PM
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to be a fact you should have a proof, and this one is missing ;)

I also thought to found that in the rules some times ago but i was wrong, the BB didn't stated anything like it. So it is possible but not an fact.

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Date: 10/5/2009 6:21:57 PM
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to be a fact you should have a proof, and this one is missing ;)

I also thought to found that in the rules some times ago but i was wrong, the BB didn't stated anything like it. So it is possible but not an fact.


I already realized that he did not provided a "proof", but bilker_76 or kozlodoev might have had some basis different than experience in order to put it in that way. I was looking for it.

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Nope. I just haven't seen anything which makes it a fact. So it might be possible or probable, but definitely not a fact.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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I already realized that he did not provided a "proof", but bilker_76 or kozlodoev might have had some basis different than experience in order to put it in that way. I was looking for it.


The only evidence I have seen as "proof" is minutes played. Someone once made a vague reference to me that their starters play more minutes in a slower pace than in a faster pace.

However, I personally have attributed that to the fact that possessions tend to be longer in a slower pace. There are less stoppages in play and therefore less of a chance for the coach to make subs.

Also, consider the fact that the BBs specifically mention in the rules that full court press has an effect on stamina. However, there is no mention of stamina under the discussion of pace.

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I already realized that he did not provided a "proof", but bilker_76 or kozlodoev might have had some basis different than experience in order to put it in that way. I was looking for it.


The only evidence I have seen as "proof" is minutes played. Someone once made a vague reference to me that their starters play more minutes in a slower pace than in a faster pace.

However, I personally have attributed that to the fact that possessions tend to be longer in a slower pace. There are less stoppages in play and therefore less of a chance for the coach to make subs.

Also, consider the fact that the BBs specifically mention in the rules that full court press has an effect on stamina. However, there is no mention of stamina under the discussion of pace.


Yes, but I have never read something about the role of pace in defensive tactics on forums or from a BB. However, it is also stated on the rules that defensive tactics do have pace.

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Yes, but I have never read something about the role of pace in defensive tactics. However, it is also stated on the rules that defensive tactics do have pace.


? That post seems a bit contradictory to me.

I agree that just because it isn't said that it doesn't mean 100% that I'm right. However, I have seen no "good" evidence for the other side either. I'm just presenting my bad evidence for my side.

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Yes, but I have never read something about the role of pace in defensive tactics. However, it is also stated on the rules that defensive tactics do have pace.


? That post seems a bit contradictory to me.

I agree that just because it isn't said that it doesn't mean 100% that I'm right. However, I have seen no "good" evidence for the other side either. I'm just presenting my bad evidence for my side.


What about a BB saying that stamina do have an effect on performance?

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Date: 10/5/2009 10:06:03 PM
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What about a BB saying that stamina do have an effect on performance?


I don't need a BB to say that to know it is true.

It is not clear to me at the moment what I am discussing with you. Are we discussing that stamina has some importance (which I would agree with you)? Or are you saying that pace has an impact on stamina?

If it is about pace, I am not understanding your points very well.

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Date: 10/5/2009 10:09:52 PM
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What about a BB saying that stamina do have an effect on performance?


I don't need a BB to say that to know it is true.

It is not clear to me at the moment what I am discussing with you. Are we discussing that stamina has some importance (which I would agree with you)? Or are you saying that pace has an impact on stamina?

If it is about pace, I am not understanding your points very well.


xDDDD

I got confused with it :D

Related to the issue of tactics pace and stamina, my argument would be that if pace is not related to stamina, then, why defensive tactics do have pace? Because, it is pretty clear that argument of shot quality is not the point in defensive pace.

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