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1490.17 in reply to 1490.15
Date: 10/7/2007 12:38:08 PM
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I agree, this is a short term problem. Just keep on planning and analyzing and training for your team, and eventually you will be better off. The GMs and BBs are already quite aware of this, I'm sure, so rest assured that this will not be an ongoing issue.

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1490.18 in reply to 1490.17
Date: 10/8/2007 6:55:21 PM
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But you have numerous problems
Drafting - Great you don't make the playoffs, but you have first shot at the next stud
Training - Other teams are able to train their entire team on a primary stat instead of a secondary stat
5th place as no incentive (similar to 4th in HT) and will cause some incredibily ugly issues.

I don't mind where a team gets placed. There is no right answer because in a perfect world we would have 100% retention.

The GM-Ragone success story (with all due respect to his GM ability) is an anomoly. You would not of done that in my division unless you were given a very good team to start - we had a lot of active users until the end and they all had different strengths to cause all types of fits.

Edited 10/8/2007 7:02:21 PM by Digging for Change

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1490.19 in reply to 1490.18
Date: 10/8/2007 10:47:47 PM
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I don't mind where a team gets placed. There is no right answer because in a perfect world we would have 100% retention.

I finished 5th. I don't mind.

But, I do think the best solution to the lack of any training (no play off game) is to treat all play-offs like a cup round.
Those not in that "cup round" are free to schedule friendlies.

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1490.20 in reply to 1490.19
Date: 10/8/2007 11:03:33 PM
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If you are not in any sort of playoff, for the championship, relegation, or otherwise, one of the Team Trainings would be the way to go.

Also, Practice This Week is reset between seasons, so every player will start the new season with Respectable PTW regardless of how many minutes they play in the postseason.

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1490.21 in reply to 1490.20
Date: 10/8/2007 11:47:04 PM
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I believe the concern is about teams with no playoff games falling behind in training. It was suggested after last season's playoffs that an additional scrimmage game be added for teams not in the playoffs.

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1490.22 in reply to 1490.18
Date: 10/9/2007 2:02:54 AM
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I disagree, GM-Raonne (spelt correctly at least) is not an anomaly I said the post directly after that I did the same thing.

If you join a game, you expect to play against competition. Bots in this game are just as difficult to overcome as the human players sometimes.

There is no reason to expect you deserve a higher spot in a league than another player (regardless of when they started). If they come in and their first game is in the playoffs and you lose then tough luck. You should have been smart enough to beat them because they just started.

When I was playing my playoffs last season I lost the first game of the playoffs against a Bot then the second game I was playing against a human player who had just taken over the Bot's team. I beat him in the next 2 games and won the title.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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1490.23 in reply to 1490.22
Date: 10/9/2007 3:16:46 AM
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i have to say 2 things:

(1) I don't agree with complains about initial positioning, same arguments as the ones i presented before and the ones niko just said. But I also wont care if the BB's decide to assign the positions to new teams based on first-come/first-served basis.

(2) I agree that the 5th player has disadvantage if compared to 6th and 7th. There is also a lot of people complaining about that in the brazilian forums right now, so we worked out an idea there and i promised to share with teh rest. Here it comes:

Every team should have the same amount of games in the post season, so the training will be fair to all. So the two 8th places should have a series to decide who is the worst in the group. The 6th and 7th play against relegation as usual. The two 5th play to decide 9th-10th place. The teams getting out of the playoffs should play to decide 3rd-8th place. This way everyone would get fair training. (a "bronze" trophy should be given to the 3rd, cause it's quite an accomplishment already)

The advantages to the best teams should come in 3 ways:
(1) Glory, the title instead of relegation.
(2) Bigger crowds in more important games.
(3) Finantial prizes to the top teams.

What do you guys think of this idea?

Edit: to make it more clear I put the full post-season schedule, according to this idea, on this link:
http://www.raonne.com/buzzerbeater/schedule.txt


Edited 10/9/2007 4:36:37 AM by GM-Raonne

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1490.24 in reply to 1490.23
Date: 10/9/2007 3:30:50 AM
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Comparing this idea with the current system (to show how it will be more fair):

(1) we are trading "Big crowds vs. No crowd(no game!)" to "Big crowd vs. Not so big crowd"
(2) and we are trading "training advantage" to "finantial prizes" (the BB's can come up with the appropriate values of it, based on their understanding of the game economy)

Edit: and btw, in the new idea also every user will still ahve games, since some users are complaining they might drop BB because of their lack of meaningful games for 3 weeks...

Edited 10/9/2007 3:37:31 AM by GM-Raonne

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1490.25 in reply to 1490.22
Date: 10/9/2007 6:38:24 AM
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Ok so we have 2 sucess stories against how many people quit becuase they couldn't do what you did?

Secondly, I also said come to my league - We lost 6-8 teams in the last 2 weeks because they couldn't win. I didn't win (hopefully that changes Tuesday), but I was thinking about the playoffs more than the regular season as my fate was decided weeks ago.

PS sorry for the mispelling - I guess and I could of corrected it later, but I had class

Edited 10/9/2007 6:41:49 AM by Digging for Change

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1490.26 in reply to 1490.25
Date: 10/9/2007 1:22:49 PM
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Well I had 6 people come into my side of the league last season, all above me. I beat them and won the title.

If people can't handle losing then they shouldn't be playing a game.

I very much doubt that Raonne and I are the only ones to win from the bottom.

I don't think you could claim that all the players that have become inactive did so because they lost.

Even if they did how do you propose that they all win? They will probably do the same thing if they start at position #1 and then lose.

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1490.27 in reply to 1490.3
Date: 10/9/2007 7:11:04 PM
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I just signed in. My team is in 5th place, and I've seen on the roster there is no matches in sight...

yet I start with 100k in my account, while I will lose about 40k weekly...

I'm not sure when my first match will be, or what other income I can count on, but I know I signed in on the worst possible way... at the end of regular season, with no matches ahead until...

I haven't realy started yet, and already must think about ways to avoid bankrupcy.

Anyone is a worse position...feel free to announce yourself. ;)

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