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GM-RiP, Thanks. I agree more info is needed on the subject, and this subject peaks my interest too much to pass up the excuse to discuss it! I believe there is limited yet compelling evidence supporting some kind of a connection between PR managers and merchandising, and your observations further support that. You seem to be trying to support a different idea that rewards do not always scale with the purchase of a higher level PR manager. I'm trying to keep an open mind about how PR managers work, but I think what has already been observed is important.

As I recently discussed (155171.3), I had increases to my merchandising week after week. Then on one week, I decided to make no other changes but to downgrade my PR manager. Immediately after the next financial update, I began to experience drops in merchandising that continued even though I maxed out my fan surveys and had a very good league and cup performance. Others have reported merchandising adjustments when changing PR manager levels, which gives me a greater confidence that there is likely to be an impact tied to this change. Although observations regarding the changes seem to vary, one thing that I have seen consistent in discussion is that people observe some kind of change to merchandising when changing PR managers. You just said you observed an increase to merchandising after downgrading the PR manager. Would you not agree that either a negative change or positive change is still a change?

Edit: Sorry, my post was long so I missed the follow up about the NT player which could reasonably have an impact. I can state however, that in my example no other changes were made, including purchase of players or anything before I observed my merchandise to drop.

Again, if we go by the game manual, the specialty of a PR manager can influence whether or not a game is won or lost. The manual also states that fan surveys affect both attendance and merchandising. It is therefore logical to conclude based on this additional evidence that there is at the very least, an indirect impact to merchandising by PR's with specialty. I can think of sensible reasons why we may be observing effects, but I won't speculate. Just because something isn't written in the manual or seem to be sensible though, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" - Carl Sagan

I think we would agree that there is a risk to investing in more expensive PR managers when so little is known on the topic. I don't mean to confuse the discussion here. I am just genuinely interested in anything more that might be discovered about PR managers. Thanks for your comments.

Last edited by bonespawn at 10/19/2010 12:49:39 AM

I think this would be better experimented with by people who can afford buying the different PR managers. I'm so poor, my team has to bring their own Gatorade to matches If someone doesn't beat us to it then, one day maybe I'll have enough cash to do my own experiments. Right now, I am trying to soak up as much information as I can. People are welcome to mail me if they have any information about PR managers to share. Yes, something is just really cool about money. Maybe the crisp sound that it makes, or the look of all those zeroes! lol...

A change is a change but the whole point I've been trying to make is that PR mangers (PRMs from this point on) are irrelevant when it comes to affecting merchandise revenue (MR).

That makes sense. Your initial statement is what was confusing to me, because that wasn't how you put it. As you are one of the more respected members of the forums, I was paying attention when you made what seemed to be a rather definite or authoritative statement that there was no impact to MR. I agree that the way PRM impacts MR is unintuitive, although I am hopeful that it can be taken advantage of. If there was no possible advantage at all, why would they have created PRM in the first place? Hopefully not as a cruel trap or distraction!

Sure, I agree that a PRM's specialty can indirectly impact MR through wins and losses but that is pretty irrelevant to the main discussion.

It was relevant when you said there was no impact, because this is evidence from the game manual that would support at least one kind of impact to MR. I now understand the points you were trying to make though, were a little different from your initial statement.

That quote can be used to sum up the main argument that every religious person has ever used when trying to defend their religion or God. It's true that if we can't see something it doesn't mean it's not there, but speaking empirically, I always like to have actual data to backup my theories. I know that statement is ironic considering the lack of evidence I have for my "PRMs have no impact on MR" theory

There is of course, no way for man to empirically prove or disprove the existence of God. Although Sagan's quote may apply, there is no point in defending religion on scientific principles. Religion is based on faith rather than science, and faith is based on belief rather than acceptance. I think that is pretty irrelevant to the main discussion though, lol... Well done, brother. You are doing a great job in living up to your forum celebrity status!

Last edited by bonespawn at 10/19/2010 6:52:43 PM

The reason I would believe in "God" persay, is that I believe everything must have a beginning. So what existed before the universe? It can't be nothing, so my explanation is "God".

That's pretty deep, Naker

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Offtopic conversations ftw :D lol