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189279.17 in reply to 189279.16
Date: 7/10/2011 2:55:52 PM
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I'd say it'd be 6'7", it's a decent height to train inside skills and it won't take too long to train shooting and OD, it's also the best for 1vs1 on forwards, so it'll increase your training efficiency all around.

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189279.18 in reply to 189279.7
Date: 7/10/2011 8:21:23 PM
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I think 6'6-6'9 is the best. I also would have two SF's, one that can bang inside and one that can shoot the lights out. I have seen an increase in managers using PF's and the SF spot and running LI. The best way to combat this is have a no joke shooter SF with good inside skills...He will light up the PF at the SF spot. And then I have my banger SF( wondrous OD prolific ID good Inside skills) I use him when I play teams that play PG's at SF...Then you just beat them up...
Right now I am working on a PF who is 6'6...should be a fun journy....

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189279.19 in reply to 189279.12
Date: 7/11/2011 2:39:32 AM
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Goal of this game isn't to have real SF ;-) Goal of this game is to win ;-)
In 5th division good SF isn't needed. In 5th division quick development is needed and therefore 175cm for SF is the best height ;-)
You were in different situation because You received club in 3rd div. But realities in 5th div are different. Manager should promote to 3rd div. as soon as possible and then he will need better players than he can train himself alone. After promotion to 3rd he could think about real SF.


mmh i don't think so, if you had the oppurtunity to train a good SF prospect last division is ideal. Because you can use him off position, and he is still strong, so it is easier to combine succes and ideal training then in more advanced leagues. And it is the most difficult Training, but you don't need an Master to do it, so you could get the necessary knwoledge by reading quite fast too.

About the topic, SF height is pretty difficult to say - yeah probaldy 1.90-2.00m are ideal, but the difference in training time isn't that huge because you had to train stuff which is in favour for big player and for small players so that a better basic skill set is more important in my eyes and not optimal size in this cas eshould be considered then for the type of the SF.

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189279.20 in reply to 189279.19
Date: 7/11/2011 3:44:56 AM
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I don't see any reason not to train a real SF immediately. SFs are one of the cheapest positions to train in the game given you are training them balanced and not stacking them on JS. Plus it is invaluable to be able to train them at PG and C at any time without suffering as a team.

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189279.21 in reply to 189279.19
Date: 7/11/2011 5:44:03 AM
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You received team practically in 1st division so You don't know realities in lower divisions too ;-)
You're right, SF must be trained out of position. And therefore you need better team than opponents. It isn't easy because currently in 5th division in first season you must fight against teams which played in BB 2-3 seasons. And quick promotion is the most important thing because development in 5th division is very hard, even almost impossible. For example if manager in 5th div needs more seats, he must pay the same price as 1st div team.
And after few promotions you must exchange squad anyway (because you need better players than you can train alone, because promotions could be faster than training speed), so if you haven't real SF it isn't big problem.

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189279.22 in reply to 189279.21
Date: 7/11/2011 6:24:53 AM
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You do forget, however, that well-trained SFs (not your SGs playing SF, I'm talking about the real deal) are usually quite a bit cheaper than other players with the same amount of training. Also, if noone trains SFs in DV, such a player becomes a huge mismatch. So you save money compared to your opponents while getting an advantage. That money can then be spent on Arena enhancements etc. I call that a competitive advantage.

Plus, if promotions go too fast for your main trainee, train him in Cup/Scrimmage games and buy other trainable players that suit your current demands better. Really, itt's not rocket science.

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189279.23 in reply to 189279.22
Date: 7/11/2011 6:36:14 AM
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Currently training isn't so profitable as earlier.
Good SF (enough for 2nd division) costs 500-800k (and for sure not more than 1,5M). Better SF isn't needed for 5th div team ;-)
It's better to make promotion with salaries 20% higher than spend next season in lower division with salaries 20% lower.

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189279.24 in reply to 189279.23
Date: 7/11/2011 8:18:18 AM
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guys...
the thread title is the ideal height for the SF. not the ideal SF height for DV.
we're talking about the ideal training height with the ideal skill sets.

175cm is simply just not gonna cut it with the inability to train his inside skills.
i would say a 6'5" to 6'8" prospect is best for anyone to train.
given that his starting skills are 7s in OD,ID.

I like myself a more inside based SF so it fits better in Look Inside tactics

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189279.25 in reply to 189279.24
Date: 7/11/2011 8:27:39 AM
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the thread title is the ideal height for the SF

And my opinion is that ideal height for SF is 175cm ;-) And I present my arguments ;-)
not the ideal SF height for DV.
These two things are connected because most teams in this game are in lower divisions ;-)
So 175cm is ideal height for ~80%, maybe 90% managers.
And I'm aware that ideal height for SF playing in NT or in 1st division is different.

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189279.26 in reply to 189279.21
Date: 7/11/2011 8:44:24 AM
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You received team practically in 1st division so You don't know realities in lower divisions too ;-)


i mentored several teams in bottom division, and when i start first division had lot of lower division mechanics. Ok maybe our player was worse then the players, a normal starting team should buy nowadays.

You're right, SF must be trained out of position. And therefore you need better team than opponents.It isn't easy because currently in 5th division in first season you must fight against teams which played in BB 2-3 seasons.


a player with very balanced skills isn't a weak spot in a beginners team, maybe not the goto guy but a player you could easily integrate.
Also if you play against much stronger teams, you had the chanche to sacrifice especially the away games to training, and you haven't to much better to integrate weaker players at home games too, in lower devision while a weak player in high devision needs a much more advanced roster(and in this case you should ask you why you not already playing at a higher level when you could play then constantly, or when you at top level you should ask you why you pay 200-400k extra salar to be able to train one player)

edit: and the importance of an SF is the same in top and bottom leagues, and yes you can afford to play without one, but having one is also an big advantage.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/11/2011 8:45:11 AM

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189279.27 in reply to 189279.24
Date: 7/14/2011 6:21:11 AM
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I'm planning to train a SF from next season on. I have a 19yo U21 prospect who I have to train two more seasons in outside skills, so my future SF will receive also that training. I'd rather have a bit higher player with good outside skills (OD and JR at least 6 and PA at least 4 - JS, DR and HA are not that important for now because I will do a lot of 1 on 1 training for SF/PF) and decent inside skills (RE and ID 7).

After two seasons when my U21 player reaches 22 years, I will start in inside skills. After four seasons of training (two seasons: outside skills, two seasons: inside skills) I hope I will get the SF to start in DII where I plan to be from next season.

I'd recommend to anyone who trains SF to start with OD first, so your trainee fouls out less. Plus OD is slow to train and it's best to start early.

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