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From: Kukoc

To: po
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196426.17 in reply to 196426.15
Date: 9/14/2011 10:59:03 AM
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How many teams in BB are using 3C-s? Are the best teams using 3C-s? Are national teams using 3C-s?
Without a doubt Centers are the easiest positions to train. Inside players are easy to train -> a lot of managers train inside players. Eventually there is an overflow of inside players on TL and their price goes down. Most of them really lack outside skills. With cross training this will change a bit, and reduce the training efficency of monoskilled monsters. So with the game so inside player heavy, it's easier to build a working LI team than it is to create a outside team. Additionally, people are not training jump range. Why? Because the skill is salary heavy. The only teams that can handle great big men, great guards and timeconsuming small forwards are national teams. If the natinal team has no patriots (that create a superbalanced SF), they are forced to sometimes use SG-s or PF-s at SF spot. Using PG or C at SF with decent teams competing (we are not talking Italy vs Malta here), true SF's will demolish the opponent.
Like always in basketball, short range jumper, is an easier shot, than a long range jumper. Adding people training regimes (more inside than outside player trainers, JS+DR training for guards, lack of JR training) we get an outcome where we are now. Outside offence is just fine, you just need to get inside stoppers and outside gunners. LI is not stronger, it's just more suitable for more players, that BB managers produce.

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196426.18 in reply to 196426.16
Date: 9/14/2011 12:03:39 PM
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The fact is that on BB there are 2 catchphrases:
* LI is broken (too strong)
* 2-3 is broken (too weak)
These are your facts. Where is your research?
I am not accusing or mocking you. I am stating a fact that in lower leagues players often have inequalitys in skills, teams have different levels -> so it's not really a desireable platform for any tests. The game engine is the same, but the player quality is not nearly the same.
I'm having a problem with you as a manager, who states something he has heard somewhere, while being stuck at lower levels of this game for some time. Has not tested any of his statements out himself (running mostly the same offence for 2 seasons now) or even having a suitable platform to test it out. Has not gathered information from top leagues/managers/NT's.
It does not matter what your excuses are. This is not a hardcore game, this game can be successfully played while logging in TWISE a week. So basically your progress shows lack of motivation or lack of knowledge.
Just like I would have heard from 7 people, that Italy playes in blue (in basketball and football), because it's their national flag color and state that as a fact.

From: CrazyEye

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196426.19 in reply to 196426.18
Date: 9/14/2011 12:15:57 PM
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the game is not only played in the top end, i am rather sure that more players play it at a lower level so i wouldn't look only at the top end.

Experience is not everything, you could get valuable observation also in short time and also get knowledge through reading and combine it.

I don't really agree with it, but normally i would say i am in a minority on that and also i think this is off topic here. When i find the right thread fast i will link it here, so that you two could continue your discussion but maybe not only at the league level/time in the game basis.

Edit: so have fun here -> (181900.1). And here we could discuss if there is a trend to play with 3 C, and/or if it is to powerful. I would disagree in both, and would also say the current trend is playing with none C and replacing them with PF.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/14/2011 12:19:29 PM

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196426.20 in reply to 196426.18
Date: 9/14/2011 12:37:46 PM
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I'm having a problem with you as a manager, who states something he has heard somewhere

You have serious problems of reading comprehension, really.
I repeated above:
I stated what people say.I'm not saying it .


Can you get that?
I'm not saying it


Moreover, I don't think you know the meaning of "catchphrase".

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 9/14/2011 12:38:25 PM

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196426.21 in reply to 196426.20
Date: 9/14/2011 1:15:36 PM
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Well, actually I´m using the 3C attack quite often myself, but to be honest, two of those three centers are not centers by default. Players are listed as Centers for quite a long time if you give them high Inside Skills, so even one of them with a skilsum of roughly 100 just recently switched his position to PF (and most likely might go back to center later in the season).

Not everything "labeled" C is really an old style Center guy. And using those kind of Centers at PF and SF makes every offense quite deadly.

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196426.22 in reply to 196426.20
Date: 9/14/2011 1:31:31 PM
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I know exactly what a catchphrase is. But still you are a poster behind it -> thus you imply this is true. So basically it would still be equal with this. ->
Just like I would have heard from 7 people, that Italy playes in blue (in basketball and football), because it's their national flag color and state that as a fact.

Why would you not state, that many have sayd LI is fine + BB's have stated you have to have some type of players for certain tactics. Why post anything if you have no preference nor knowledge?

Last edited by Kukoc at 9/14/2011 1:32:43 PM

From: Kukoc

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196426.23 in reply to 196426.19
Date: 9/14/2011 2:52:16 PM
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Edit: so have fun here -> (181900.1). And here we could discuss if there is a trend to play with 3 C, and/or if it is to powerful. I would disagree in both, and would also say the current trend is playing with none C and replacing them with PF.
I have already posted in this thread and so has Charles. He has explained the situation quite clearly imo.

From: CrazyEye

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196426.24 in reply to 196426.23
Date: 9/14/2011 3:08:29 PM
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Edit: so have fun here -> (181900.1). And here we could discuss if there is a trend to play with 3 C, and/or if it is to powerful. I would disagree in both, and would also say the current trend is playing with none C and replacing them with PF.
I have already posted in this thread and so has Charles. He has explained the situation quite clearly imo.


i just wanted to lead you to a place to discuss it ;)

Today my first PL opponent played witha Center on SF, it wasn't really a fair matchup but i think his +/- and points per 100 shots says a lot about it and i even don't line up a shooter against him.

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From: po

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196426.27 in reply to 196426.24
Date: 9/15/2011 6:06:19 AM
Your defense are really good,so he cant made basket .
Actually,i saw you play BO to win B3 games, that's a good one
and I think using different tatics make this game much more fun:)

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