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200773.17 in reply to 200773.14
Date: 11/14/2011 3:02:38 PM
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It's so sad that you question how we run things in Sweden.

We are pleased of the work Jokehim has done. Results are not all that matters, his passion can't be matched.
My concideration about deals are that they suck. Play by the rules and respect others who don't agree on your low morale.

First - show me the paragraph in rules which is against effort deals
Second - it's world-wide game, you can't expect the same morale level in each country of the world, something can look imoral for you, but 90% of BB users can't find it imoral

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200773.18 in reply to 200773.16
Date: 11/14/2011 3:23:56 PM
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JAg är inte så säker på att de hade gått med på Normal-TIE, men en sån deal hade vi ju inte förlorat på. Som Rüstü Reçber säger så är inte alla "deals" ensidiga. Man kan såklart fortfarande ogilla hela systemet med deals. Men en normal - tie deal skulle ju faktiskt varit positiv för båda.

Tjeckien som kanske tredjeseedat lag i gruppen var mer eller mindre tvingade att vinna dagens match, så de hade väl inga planer på att lira TIE å riskera att torska mot en Crunch. Utan deal var Normal från deras sida rätt given.

När de lirar normal mot oss har vi minimal chans att vinna. Inte ens med crunch blir vi favoriter när vi dessutom har bortaplan.

Så helt utan kontakt med motståndaren skulle jag säga att det är ca 90% chans att de kör normal. Vi har då väldigt liten chans att vinna matchen. Vill vi verkligen vinna så crunchar vi. Men troligen vill vi inte cruncha å slösa ent.

Säg istället att vi bar ahar TIE å Normal att välja på, å vi råkar veta med säkerhet att Tjeckien kör TIE. Vad väljer vi? Troligen normal...

De ger oss lite större chans att vinna matchen i utbyte mot bättre chans för dem att gå till slutspel.

Vi vet ju ingenting med säkerhet här iofs, å för vårt lilla land så kvittar det egentligen. inte ens nu med vår bästa kull på länge är vi i närheten av att gå till slutspel. Så jag ser egentligen ingen mening med att göra deals, men är det som stor-tjecken säger så var det väl kanske inte så väldans fult av de att vilja göra upp om inställningen innan....

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200773.19 in reply to 200773.18
Date: 11/14/2011 3:46:53 PM
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Det här va ju rätt intressant :D

(Israel vs TIE deals)
i dont like them i think in the moment you ask another team to do it you get an edge over the other coach that now have to go easy or if you do not answer the other team go normal and then you have to go normal

yesterday i got asked by Hellas coach abut a tie agreement i say yes and i am going normal vs Tie today i see nothing wrong with the way i react and i will do the same again vs any one who will ask me to go tie i will say sure and then go the way i think will be better for my team to win the game

i do need to say this is my way of looking at things i know other Israeli coaches have bean using Tie agreement in the passed and might do so in the future but as far and the upcoming season offer me Tie it will be on your own risk the

Community in Israel some with me in this state of mind and some do not agree with me so think abut it as one season deal :D after it the next coach will do as he pleased


Kan ju säga att israel vann med 1p efter Normal mot Tie :D

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200773.20 in reply to 200773.18
Date: 11/14/2011 5:06:58 PM
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Jag är strikt emot alla möjliga deals. Tycker det är riktigt smutsigt spel. Men visst kan man göra TIE mot Normal agreements och det missgynnar inte det svagare laget lika mycket men är lika smutsigt spel oavsett.

Jag hade en mikroskopisk förhoppning att nå en framskjuten plats och dagens match var kanske den enklaste vi hade behövt vinna för att lyckas med detta. Normal mot TIE och man-to-man hade antagligen ändå inte räckt så tror vi hade varit tvungna spela crunch mot TIE. Övervägde crunch men hade kostat mycket för framtida matcher i så fall.

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200773.21 in reply to 200773.16
Date: 11/14/2011 5:14:08 PM
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It is not written in his email and my clear interpretation is that he offers a TIE vs TIE deal. Sure he might even want to deal a TIE vs Normal but no matter what do I think that any kind of effort deal is stinks. I have had that agreement since I started with this game and I won't change my mind. In my opinion it should be a clear violation of the rules to offer deals but I know that admins interpret it differently. It really is a huge loss for the game that it is allowed.

That you come here and attack me is just pathetic. You are so desperate to win so you use any kind of bad sportsmannaship to do so. Of course was it a strategical decision to jump at me ahead of match so that I might feel bad and do as you wish.

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200773.23 in reply to 200773.20
Date: 11/15/2011 1:58:12 AM
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Jag är också emot såndana deals, även om dom nu är lagliga.

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200773.24 in reply to 200773.21
Date: 11/15/2011 3:30:04 AM
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That you come here and attack me is just pathetic. You are so desperate to win so you use any kind of bad sportsmannaship to do so. Of course was it a strategical decision to jump at me ahead of match so that I might feel bad and do as you wish.

I don't understand you as I did it in time the match was already running so there was no time to change anything in our match. So it could influence neither our nor your effort in the match anyway.
I have no problem if someone refuses any deal. But I have problem if someone interprets things in wrong way.

In my opinion it should be a clear violation of the rules to offer deals but I know that admins interpret it differently. It really is a huge loss for the game that it is allowed.

I can't imagine how it could work. Someone would work as deal police? Which way would they look for evidence? In my eyes only possible solution is change in way that no deal is usefull for anyone. I mean change of enthusiasm and effort system so that system works itself without need of any police or other staff.

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200773.25 in reply to 200773.24
Date: 11/15/2011 4:34:09 AM
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If you sent your message in this forum after match was started then obviously it was not your intention to make me change my mind. I apologize for that statement then. Still think that enthusiasm deals is a disgrace to the game.

More importantly, your behaviour in our thread was awful. You were attacking me as being a poor coach and our community for being stupid to re-elect me. Should they rather have elected an user with no election speech that never has written in the forum and that has as best merit a playoff spot in our third division? That was the only other option they could vote for this time. In previous two elections there were only me to vote for and ahead of that a now inactive user. I have won last 4 elections without having a competitor. Still you attack the community for supporting me.

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200773.26 in reply to 200773.24
Date: 11/15/2011 4:37:35 AM
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Still waiting for you to explain how I possibly could beat your team with a TIE vs Normal or TIE vs TIE deal. We lost with more than 20 points and would be interesting to hear from a superstar how I beat you with TIE vs Normal. You just dismissed my coaching skills so I know what to learn from the expert.

Please let me know how to do. Or you are afraid of admiting weaknesses in your team? If so, just tell me if you think there are a tactic where we could have made it a close battle with TIE vs Normal. I am pretty sure that you know that my chances to beat you with your current tactic is very small unless we crunch and you play normal.

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200773.27 in reply to 200773.26
Date: 11/15/2011 4:52:03 AM
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Med tanke på vilket kasst beteende Tjeckiens nationella coach visar så postade jag ett inlägg på det tjeckiska forumet för att informera dem om detta. Tänker inte argumentera något på det tjeckiska forumet utan gör det rent informellt. Tycker det är tragiskt att någon beter sig på det sätt rwystark gör.

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