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From: Elmacca

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214215.17 in reply to 214215.16
Date: 4/23/2012 5:06:42 PM
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The coach.

Low Post? 2-3? Unnecessary and ill-advised.

That aside, an unfortunate end to a truly marvellous campaign. Congrats on the achievements, which tonight's cock up does not detract from more than a very little bit. Truly, it's been an excellent adventure.

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214215.19 in reply to 214215.18
Date: 4/23/2012 6:18:46 PM
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Your advice was it?

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214215.20 in reply to 214215.17
Date: 4/23/2012 7:05:15 PM
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No it was not morwoods advice. If there was anything I would have changed about tonights game it would have been not going with the blank roster. I'm not sure the LP really hurt us or helped us at all and I do think the 2-3 did its job just fine, we just didn't have enough of the right players on the court. All in all I thought it was an admirable effort, as it was a close game until the the fouling at the end, and we had a 45% or so max chance of winning no matter what tactics we ran(assuming equal effort).

Edit: Say your goodbyes to all of this seasons 21 year olds as I'll be starting scouting later this week and next week we'll be scrimmaging against Canada with U20 teams.

Edit: Putting the ratings/tactics we received in the game into the simulator we should have won a little over 70% of the matchups, but unfortunately we got one of those 30% ones :(

Last edited by Eminence Front at 4/23/2012 7:53:44 PM

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214215.22 in reply to 214215.21
Date: 4/24/2012 3:51:49 AM
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I think you mean backhanded compliment.
No, I was trying to balance saying what a great season it has been while expressing my displeasure and irritation with using a slow-paced offence against a team like the Czechs, who have a philosophy that means lots if secondaries and OD on court. Low Post resulted in too many end of shot clock attempts from players who couldn't make this shots. Shooting 0-18 from the three point line is why we lost.
Keep the tactics simple in that game, you win 9 out of 10 at home.
The Czechs, however, looked a decent unit and were certainly good enough to make the most of the opportunity we gave them by going Low Post instead of LI. The 2-3, I'm less bothered about, as it can be effective. I don't understand the LP call at all.

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214215.23 in reply to 214215.22
Date: 4/24/2012 7:01:14 AM
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It looks like the 2-3 worked pretty well considering. Perhaps based on previous games we could have expected our offensive flow to have been higher than the Czechs which would have been more conducive to low-post, but the Blank Line-Up obviously had ideas of it's own. :D


Overall it's been a great season. Are you running for another 2 years eminence?



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214215.24 in reply to 214215.23
Date: 4/24/2012 7:34:41 AM
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Not sure quite yet, I'm debating whether I want to stay on as U21 coach or try to make a move to the NT. We'll see. It'll depend partly on if any qualified canidates step up and say they'd be interested in the U21 job.

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214215.25 in reply to 214215.22
Date: 4/24/2012 9:42:39 AM
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i disagree with ya Elmacca.

GS of Czechs was simply better. If your top 2 big men are GS 7 and GS 8, where as the opposing bigs got 4 guy's in GS 9, then you know it's going to be very difficult.

and that fact that englands U21 took 18 3pt shots attempts, means that they weren't able to penetrate inside to get the ball close to the basket. to me, that shows that the Czechs simply had a much better defenses than England, and that isn't somehting you can correct on the fly. considering the disadvantage in GS, i think LP was the better choice. you can argue that you take alot of shots near the end of the shotclock, but LI takes shotes earlier, meaning defensif rebounds for the czechs, which end up in more chances to score for them. Considering that they got the better GS, you don't want to increase their ammount of possesions, so i agree with the LP choice.

Eminence, job well done. you took the english U21 squad to their first ever participation of the european championship, and you had a decent run in the consolation tourney. Those are big improvements.

If the high potentials ( MVP or better) get trained well, then better results should follow soon for the english NT aswell (i'm saying better, not saying you can hope to achieve the same results as the U21 did with the NT.)

Revo

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214215.26 in reply to 214215.25
Date: 4/24/2012 1:09:42 PM
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We had 21 offensive rebounds. I'll take the quick shots thanks.

"and that fact that englands U21 took 18 3pt shots attempts, means that they weren't able to penetrate inside to get the ball close to the basket."

Erm, that's because it was the slow paced LP taking too much of the clock looking for non-existent OD weakness. Throw the ball in with LI and you take lower percentage inside shots than LP, which driving can compensate for - but if you can't get inside with LP, as happened, youend up taking even lower percentage end of shot clock shots. It is not rocket science to know that the Czechs favour balanced players and LP is best avoided against them.



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214215.27 in reply to 214215.26
Date: 4/24/2012 3:48:25 PM
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We too had very good secondaries(at least on our big men), and thus we decided it was a risk worth taking to get our inside guys mid range jump shots instead of just trying to post up on them with only 1 player with above wondrous IS.

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