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Howard I still far from the only defensive center. As goofy as McGee may be he still is a pretty good defensive center. Not to mention Bogut i think you under rated him a bit defensively. Then you have good defensive center who may not show through blocks alters and steals but when you watch them you see the hassle they put opponents through like Perkins who was posterized lets eliminate that now. And other centers like Noah. You seen how he stepped up to guard Lebron that one series vs. Cleveland. And just any other people he is set to guard. Marc Gasol and Anderson Verajioa not sure on spelling, arent great defenders but provide a constant irritation and physical toughness which is what truly makes me like a center. Blocks which is what all the players you named excel at doesnt really constitute as a true center to me because although you get blocks which generally come from guards attempting to disrespect the size difference. Blocks dont meant you can guard the hoop from some one your own size. Like Okafor he was terrible one on one against big or bigger men everyone on the list you named are untouchable in that sense of the argument.

I know this is a bit off-topic but, when it's all said and done, would you want to be the guy who came off the bench and won a few titles or the superstar who never won any? Even if the person has better skills, did he win anything? I know nowadays you have copy Miami and form a superteam to win rings. But still, if they never won an NBA title, then their career wasn't successful. Look at Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing. Both were excellent bigs throughout their careers. Both of them had good amounts of success. Both of them played in the NBA Finals. Both of them lost in the Finals. Ask anyone and they will tell you that both players' careers would've been more successful if they had won.

Last edited by Big Dogs at 8/25/2012 12:06:08 PM

Its lots of players like that today. I feel like your greatness should not be judged by the amount of rings you have but by your talent. Because look at Steve Nash no ring and he will retire ringless I do believe. Dirk just won a ring but didnt need one to still be considered the best shooting big man and to receive the label unguardable. But you have tons of players who's names wont be remembered who has ring even starters not just bench like Carlos Arroyo, or Shannon Brown, Luke Walton, Glen Davis who is still a good player but people often forget he has a ring.

Robert Horry, one of the best player ever by those people's arguments.

Forgot all about Robert Horry. Wow.

I don't think he is the best player ever. There are way better players than him. But he won 7 championships, and you don't win 1, let alone 7 by a fluke.