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From: malice

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Date: 1/16/2013 5:35:12 AM
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Ranked #38. You can check it out for me if you like, but that might be pretty good for a nation of under 30 users. Not quite as good as Lithuania, granted.
Whilst at it, you might want to check HK. I believe that they have a pretty good U21 program (where my *other* trainee saw good minutes as a 21yo).
My point is, Mr Glass is largely incorrect when he states that most PFC trainers are only focusing on primaries - even those with NT players.

I think the term I'm looking for would be "nyah-nyah"?

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From: FenXas

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Agree ;)

From: GM-hrudey

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I personally like training a SF (even though I train Big Men), and think training a SF is the best way to go. There's just a few things you gotta follow....

potential: for a SF you need very high potential to get a SF to where you need/want him to be. I like PAS (perrenial allstar) potential but more then likely you'd want a Superstar guy in it.

skills: can't have one jacked up skill at all, and if a skill is jacked up, it probably has to be one of the skills easier to train. for me, a hole in RB, JS or DR/HA is easy to fix. but skills like OD and ID are very hard to fix sometimes to where they can be efficient in that level. I usually go for a 5/5 guy to begin with at SF, not too low though.

time: you'd need to have a lot of patience training a 6'5'' to 6'6'' SF. It takes sometimes longer then others to train the players.


hope this helps


btw if anybody wants to train a big man, a Big Man with good secondaries are juicy on the TL and can give you a lot of dough.




A SF actually generally will consume less potential than a traditionally-trained big or guard because instead of having a few super high skills, there will be a much wider base of good but not cap-killing skills.

But not only are bigs with good secondaries quite nice on the TL, they can also be very effective players. My fourth-leading scorer right now is a 6'10 21-year old trainee who is technically a 9k point guard right now but is playing mostly PF.

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Date: 1/16/2013 11:47:34 AM
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I've read that it is cheaper to get good bigs on the TL than it is to get good guards. Does that mean that it is better to train guards vs bigs if you had the choice? Obviously I would train a HOF big over a benchwarmer guard. But assuming these things were the same, what would you choose to train? And why is it people say good guards are worth more on the TL while bigs are a dime a dozen?

Thanks!

Better to train guards. Bigs you can always buy left and right. But it's rare, and expensive, to buy guArds you like. Also, in training guards you can sell away 1-2 of the 3 you trAin each time and make nasty profits. I bought pas guards that had some ugly skills for 1k trained them up and sold for over 100k. The one I still have could easily go for around 300k. Training guards just takes more effort on your part as higher division you are... The less you can afford sometimes a trainees defense and stay competitve

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Date: 1/16/2013 4:28:26 PM
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Better to train Bigs. Guards you can always buy left and right. But it's rare, and expensive, to buy Bigs you like. Also, in training Bigs you can sell away 1-2 of the 3 you trAin each time and make nasty profits.

This, is also true - if you train bigs well.
I sold my last two trainees for...
(22851352) - 1.2 million at age 20.
(21452760) - 1.8 million at age 21.
I would never sell my oldest trainee (21305788), he's simply too valuable to me (both sentimentally and actually), and I can't imagine selling my #2: (23706795)... but if I did, they'd possibly go for north of 3 million. Maybe.

There's no such thing as a *right* way. There's no such thing as the best position to train. You train 'em well, you'll see profits.
One thing I'll say about SFs, whilst it's nice to have a guy who's easy to train, and will see big profits if they're nice... invariably they will always play out of position whilst you're training them.

Last edited by malice at 1/16/2013 4:30:38 PM

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Date: 1/16/2013 4:35:46 PM
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Yeah especially SF's - always out of position
but boy is it worth it, saved some JS for last so he can play SF
but I'm looking at another RB pop next season
This guy can play both Inside and out, off and def
ID = 13, OD = 15....JR = 9 & IS = 12
(16769645)

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Date: 1/16/2013 5:50:57 PM
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Yup... my HK big (Tim) played SF/PF for the HK U21 team last season, and looking at the prices of high-end SFs on the market makes me think I might be best off training him towards that side of the court a bit more. I don't think he'll ever be a true SF (being 7'1" kinda makes it harder), but I *can* play him at SF sometimes, depending on what the opposition has.

The true beauty of having an elite SF is the quality of returns for the salary spent. Elite bigs/guards cost a fortune every week. My primary trainee (an MVP C) will cost a fortune if I cap him out.

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Date: 1/17/2013 10:52:37 PM
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Better to train guards, huh? :D(23474021) Anthony Boswell, sold for 1.23 mil, (23475696) Colin Alexander, sold for 634k and (22722238) Nathaniel Mounier, sold for 553k, then recently sold for 800k.

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Date: 1/18/2013 2:21:07 AM
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I'm sure if I really wanted I could pull up all my cases for my argument. I could probably also take averages for sale price of bigs at a set salary range and for guards etc. and do all that

So people pulling their random examples of sales doesn't really mean anything to me as it is not put into perspective with sample size and price range etc etc etc. if you are really trying to convince me give me some good empirical evidence

From: Koperboy

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Date: 1/18/2013 2:55:54 AM
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I agree but unfortunately when you look at U21 big men and young centers, generally no other skills besides inside shot, rebounding, inside D, and shot-blocking are above mediocre-average, unless they were drafted with skills like that.


You forgot to add "with few exceptions" Lots of our bigs sport at least one secondary above respectable, mostly it's DR or JS. Of course the primaries are a bit lower because of that, but you can compensate in other areas like turnovers...(22121)

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