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No that's not what im trying say not being rude/ what Im saying is let team see the player style of play.. is the player a great offensive scorer. great defensive player. sub par rebounder, all around floor general, good driver, shot blocker? ..

That not saying give them Kareem Abdul Jabber.. it just saying give more in depth about the player of choice.. You still have to train, If the top manager knows he need better defense he can build around that. it doesn't mean he is going to stay top league because he got 3 good defenders in the draft/ But he has speed training on his side

The game has speed training .a lot of top leagues wouldn't be about who has the better wallet but who is better trainer, you would see lower salaries and better young talent after some time.. This would help the market also those top team. I'm not say raise the draft skills for them, Just more in depth in what they need, to stay float or atleast make some money.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/13/2013 8:36:09 PM

Only you get to see what your scouts reveal.

BUT, before you waste any scouting points, do the scouting combine first. Yes, first. Then sort out all the 19 year olds, and the heights you don't want (ex: If you want to train guard prospects, don't draft a guy 7 feet tall.). Then do the math to see if it's more efficient to scout the 1 and 2 balls individually, or to just do the group demo.

Do you just open your mouth and let your belly rumble? Regardless of anything you are trying to say , no one can take anything you say with any credibility since your posts are literred with grammatical inconsistencies. What the hell is an escape goat, also its UTMOST respect not upmost. I cringe when i read some of your posts because i know your argument is defeated before anyone can even consider it.

Glad to see it drives someone else as crazy as it does myself.

Sorry but I just don't buy it. I'm gonna go ever so slightly into economics here. But from what I gather you are saying (which is hard to do, but you gotta type a little more clearly), teams in higher divisions don't invest in the draft because it isn't worth it (i.e. the gamble, the time to train, the fact that player would be a liability etc.) and even if this were true, it is somehow wrong?

If no one in top divisions invested in the draft, then the one person who did just had their chances to get a good trainee increased significantly since they are the only ones who spent money on scouting. Let's say 20k per week, that's about ~250k per season. Not too bad if you are the only one who invests in scouting, even better if you are a high draft pick.

All top teams probably want at least one trainee, because it will help them sustain the team, and they can mould them to their needs; then add in the fact that a lot of good trainees go to waste since not a lot of people train their trainees well, and those who do generally don't want to give them up because you need good players to win so you can get to the top.

So where will the teams who need trainees get them? The player market (aka the TL). Where prices are determined by how much in demand a player is. These great trainees you talk about buying can go northward of 500k (about double the amount for 20k a week scouting). Players who are trained really well would go for over a million. So it balances out as best as possible in the end.

Now would I invest in the draft in a season where I know I'm top 3 and I have 2 trainees on my hand already? No because that's a waste of money.

Would I invest in the draft if I was bottom 3 (my personal cut off is one of the bottom 6 in the league) and was looking for trainees? Yes I would.

Whenever I've invested in the draft, I've come out with good players. In fact, one of my main trainees Lars Intek (28479379) was from my draft. If you'd like to see his skills they are right here:

http://lien.buzzer-manager.com/gr2z7s4cjn02jx6w4vq1e8vb2l...

Through good training I've gotten him as he is so far, and I'm sure he could probably sell for one million at the very least (don't quote me since I don't study the TL too much, just a rough estimate)

So was my post too long and you didn't read?
Investing in the draft is worth it if you do it smartly. (i.e. don't use points when you're top of the league). Tanking is another way to earn money, but how fun is it to lose all your games? Also if top teams can't stay afloat in the top leagues then they are obviously doing something wrong and as a result they get relegated. A new team promotes and they are given a chance to see if they are doing it right, if they are doing it better than the others then they won't get relegated or go bankrupt

Last edited by jeffjeff at 7/18/2013 10:00:09 PM

I understand your point and read the post. I think in top leagues you need player thats going help you win games. A draft trainee can do that, if skill are all 7 to start which is rare. while the opp's player are all 13 and higher, its a lost effort playing them. In the top league it all about balance.

Yes true, they know how to speed train which can be very effective for the manager to get those draftee about to leagues skills are in few seasons. then they can make a cool million selling . But I think thats is rare to get player to make a million from in the top leagues from the draft with the right skill or potent... So if you have 3 draftee and they're all good and sell for 3 million, all of them( 1 million each)

The league players salary in top is 80K about a week if not more, for 1 player that well over 1.2million a season.. I think the season is 14 weeks. Some players are 2- 3 million a season, so pulling the sell money in, that is only going to break even on 1-2 player for the season salary, which leaves at least 8 players salary to pay.

So in small you might can come back with 450-800k a season in top leagues, So in 3 years time with these players all you did was break even with them and didn't win .

You can buy players that get better result than a draftee. Selling players is hard work, training them to the market is hard as well. So in small its not really worth the effort in my opinion to much going on. Because the talent you get will not be effective enough to make millions for the season unless your guru speed trainer and manager. I am not btw

Not dis agreeing with your points. I agree with a lot of them but at same time, I think its a waste of time and effort when you can get something that can help win with the 250-300 K$ thats 10x better in skills for league play. Winning is best revenue maker not some draftee in top league in my opinion

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/18/2013 11:28:34 PM

You realize that you include the salary of the player but you don't include the revenue that salary is used to generate right? Assuming the team is any good they should be getting comparable revenue from your arena, add in the tv contract and that should offset your team salary. If you are in negative income then you are doing something wrong. You don't depend on the draft to be your income, that's what your arena merchandise and tv contract are for. You depend on the draft to sustain your team, or if you already have trainees, use it as icing on the cake and make a couple extra bucks. If you are depending on the draft as your main source of income then you're definitely approaching BB with a unique view point

I don't think the draft is likely to be a consistent profit source, so I agree with you there for sure. It's pretty hard to set yourself up to select the best player every season, if not impossible.

On the other hand, it appears some owners do pretty well on the transfer market turning a profit. Like this team (32001), which has earned about $1.5M a season on average in transfers. It's the exception, not the rule, I think. I've managed to make about an average of 100K a season on transfers, but at least I'm in the green.

And I've never sold a draftee for more than about 400K, max. Hard when you're in the top half of the league to get anyone good enough to sell for huge $$.