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254127.17 in reply to 254127.15
Date: 1/14/2014 5:26:26 PM
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I think if you look back through the history of just about every successful team here, sure they had good managers but they always had a lot of luck. Teams promoting when their opponents got injuries, used stupid tactics, went bot, teams that made a random killing on the TL, teams that were gifted an amazing player on their starting team or who drafted someone in the second round that they then sold for $5,000,000.

The best example ever was BC Tooroo. This team was the best team in the entire world. Won the B3 multiple tmes. When the manager moved to Brasil everyone assumed they would be back winning the B3 again in no time. The new team is called As Sucuris Comeram Torooo (32664) and despite playing in a smaller nation with just 500 active teams (in the ballpark of Australia) it took them from season 14-23 to make the top league. Then they went all out and finally won the Brazil National Tournament but only got four B3 wins. I am not saying this is bad, it is certainly better than I have done, but it is not like they just dominated their new nation from day one and they never even made the division one finals and are now back in division II.

Koop I like the idea of trying it out with the big boys. I would be joining you in the USA, just hope we don't end up in a division V with all supercompetitive teams run by experienced managers where we get stuck forever.

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254127.18 in reply to 254127.17
Date: 1/14/2014 7:08:15 PM
Koopasaurus
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I'll love to end up in div5 with super competitive secondary teams. Cos I'll know we'll all be in the same boat. Whoever makes it out alive will then get to take it out on the locals in div4.

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254127.19 in reply to 254127.18
Date: 2/7/2014 10:46:12 PM
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The farm team thing happens here - perhaps not with the organisation of other nations but I'm positive we have farm teams here in Australia.

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254127.20 in reply to 254127.15
Date: 2/26/2014 4:11:40 AM
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i have read many interesting point of views here. but this one does highly a very valid con against secundairy teams

All i have to say is this.

If, back in season 11 or whenever it was i started playing this game, i found out after 4-5 weeks that, as a new user, I was battling in Div IV against Supporter user's '2nd teams'.... supporters who also have teams in the top leagues around the world, and have been playing the game for real life years longer than me.....

then there is
a) No way i would buy supporter
and
b) I would probably think "This is shite" and quit the game.

I remember when i started, finding out that I was playing against guys who had been around for 1 season more than me, made me feel crapola, challanging, and generally they buggered off, but i was a bit like 'hmmm well that sux' and it questioned why i would play the game.
so have a think about all the new users who will be starting, and playing against ur second team.



it's a very valid Con. However, just imagen the following: u got a former ABBL user, who has decided to tank a while, get some young talent under his belt through the draft, train them and then buy the players with the cash he saved from tanking.

If u are a novice manager, u'll still feel annoyed. Hence, u should consider tanking undermining the game in the same way, where as general opinion is that it's acceptable and some might even argue that it's a smart strategy... (now before this topic gets hijacked about tanking, i just wanted to show an simular example. futhermore, more often than not, teams take a risk during a season to promote, pushing their economies to the limit to maximalise the chance for promotion. If they then see a 4th place conference team suddenly spend 7M to ramp up for PO's, they are equally screwed and in several cases, do end up giving up on the game... many things are unfair in this game, so that con could apply to several things)

However, i would like to mention that the guy's using the second teams could help living things up, especially in quite communities. This in turn will help novice managers (even at a forum lvl of their division) learn new things and thus set them on the right direction to help them progress faster, instead of making all the newbies errors that they usually make.

futhermore, i'd also like to point out that the following rule:
2. Country restriction: Secondary teams cannot play in the same country nor buy players from the primary team's original country. To make sure some smaller countries aren't overwhelmed by the influx of new foreign teams, a minimum of 50% of the teams in a country will be reserved for local managers. Also, if a country is 90% full – the remaining teams will be reserved for local managers.


That means that the influx in smaller communities will still be restricted. Thus, such a con as mentioned above would most likely only occure in the larger communities, and not in the smaller communities.

each proposition has a pro and a con, but arguments can be made that the secundairy teams could help out the newbies and thus progress faster. (who would u contact? a guy in ur league who u know nothing off, or a guy who u know has the experience of the game, is playign high somewhere else and likely has some good pointers for u?)

just giving my thoughts about it.

ps: i know it's late, but i don't read all the fora all the time in foreign fora. just the ones i deem interesting and that are written in an understandable english ;)

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254127.21 in reply to 254127.20
Date: 2/26/2014 7:03:15 AM
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yes you do make a good point and yes your english is fine! a few incorrect words here and there, but nothing that didnt mean i couldn't understand it!


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254127.22 in reply to 254127.21
Date: 2/26/2014 9:37:24 AM
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also, i'd like to point out that several groups of managers are already discussing where they'd want to go (as a group). And by that, i mean managers from different nations who don't get to play each other except in a private league.

i have knowledge of some wanting to go to a small size country ( more or less 100 managers) with the intention of really helping out that nation by training the prospects of that nation hoping to help out to the nation at both Representative Team levels, as well as hoping to activate the community a bitt.

i won't deny that they are looking forward to facing each other in a real competition (because no matter how u look at it, private league games are special test games. Enthusiasm etc can't be chosen, nor does it have financial/sportive consequences such as injuries to player or minutes counting towards training). But they do intend on helping out in that community. i know that people can have many plans, but don't always follow through on them (i just need to look at U21/NT speeches for proof) however, i do reckon that they will give it a try at the very least. And the fact they are willing to try is already something i consider as a pro for the second teams. U might counter with the argument that such groups might risk taking over a community, however if the community is dead or near dead (and i'll point out to the Belgian main forum as an example, but i could mention many others as well) then the extra influx of active managers can only be a bonus for those who are willing to communicate, learn and discuss about BB.

regards

Az~


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254127.23 in reply to 254127.22
Date: 2/26/2014 10:52:16 PM
Koopasaurus
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That is an awesome idea. Which country will those 100 managers be invading? I' might join them =P

There are some that wanted an utopia country. By doing this they are essentially making their own utopia country.


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254127.24 in reply to 254127.23
Date: 2/27/2014 3:20:59 AM
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i know that one group is targetting New Zealand. and a second (larger group) is still trying to figure out where they'd want to go, but the names as Mexico, Norway, Austria and Sweden are in the mix, but to my knowledge, no nation has been agreed upon yet.

i might join that second group, or if not i'll go for a second team in Australia. i might be moving to Queensland or NSW soon for 9 months and thus having a team in the country i'm in for an extended period might not be such a bad thing. (and it's not as if the Belgian community would miss me, considering that if we put aside the BBBL fora and would remove Joe, Dart and myself from the equation, then it's completely dead).

either way, in anticipation of my potential move, i though i might as well start to be a little active on the fora. the move is still pending a couple of things, but those are out of my hands.

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254127.25 in reply to 254127.24
Date: 3/1/2014 10:10:54 PM
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ur screwed I think they decided all r going 2 utopia

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254127.26 in reply to 254127.25
Date: 3/2/2014 3:11:28 AM
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the obvious down side to this is those that happen to land in utopia div I have a HUGE advantage that land in div 3 or 4. Would be better if they started everyone in div 4, top 256 teams from first season then go to div 3, etc. That would make it fair on everyone.

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254127.27 in reply to 254127.26
Date: 3/3/2014 2:00:20 AM
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reckon the 1st season they will all start in bot div

but still a ton of luck who promotes & who not that 1st season which will be massive

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