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Both players are in the MVP range. Still, as I said, you can make a good SF with MVP, but you need HoF for a NT guard or big. 18/12/19/18/18/15-10/10/4/4 is at the very top end of MVP and imho, isn't good enough for the USA NT. To add the skills he needs to get beyond a boarderline NT player, he needs HoF potential.

I think we're on the same page now. Based on the number the OP was willing to spend, I assumed he was going for an NT potential player: MVP for SF, HoF for G/Big.

The numbers I put up for the NT guard was meant to be a minimum; ideally, I'd like to see 15+ on JR and PA. I agree that we'd like to see more JR on all players. I slightly disagree your JS point. I do see it as a salary sink, but we have seen some statistical analysis tjat JS is more important for open 3's and 2 pt JS and JR is important for contested 3's. I'm willing to bet there is more to it than that (e.g. from streching the court), and this is just basic stats. I'm not willing to advocate less than 15 JS on a guard other than a pure LI PG (from a NT/NBBA perspective), but L'd love to see how a 16/16 SG performs.

<soapbox> imo, the reason for LI dominance is still structural. There is only one skill (OD) that defends 4 skills (JS, JR, HA, PA) and 2 skills that defend 2 others (ID/SB v. DR & IS) I assume RB defends itself. The recent changes help, but I still believe that OD is easily the most important skill and will keep outside teams in check at the higher levels </soapbox>

My allstar guy is at 105 skills currently, at 24y,

10/10
12/12
12/9
12/10
9/9

I always used a level 3 coach, and this trainee had random starting skills.

I believe a good starting skillset is the key to training lower level potential player.

Maybe a superstar with good starting skills can be trained with level 3-4 coach.

MVP with good starting skills would be more expensive though, but could probably be trained with a 4-5 level trainer. Maybe get level 5 in first seasons, when training is faster, then switch to level 4 later. That would save tons of total training expenditures.

Anyway, my point is that I would rather spend more cash for a trainee with better starting skills, than hire expensive coaches over 8-10 seasons.