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I think if we have this for the defense of a team, this will make the requirements of their offense pretty minimal, unless the opponent sports similar defense

PG/SG OD 20 ID 12+ SB 15+
SF OD 18+ ID 13 SB 16+
PF/C OD 16+ ID 14+ SB 18+

This is essentially what im working towards on my current roster, Im glad to see im not the only person who correlates SB with OD not just ID

ive been gathering good data on the effects of SB for the last 6 or 7 seasons. My current goal for my starting 5 is something like 14/16/16+/18/18
RB I see good results with fairly low RB with the added SB, 14 is the highest I would take REB in any situation TBH, My current SB big that is on the market rebounds at roughly the same rate or better as a a player with 3 more REB on my team.
I think you easily make the difference up with with a spread like this 8/8/12/12/14.
ID wise im looking for something like 8/8/12/14/14.

My current trainee Carl Baxter started his OD training with 13ID 12 SB and 3 OD, he had no trouble shutting down 50k+ USA d.3 PG's but the jump from 3 to 9 OD has hardly been noticeable on the stat sheet so far.
I think you can have IS/ID and SB on a guard to a certain extent, Him falling into a guard formula rests solely in his JR.
I forget off the top of my head but my Guard trainees will be roughly 16/10/8/14 in big skills while still maintaining PG position for salary.

I honestly would like to build 3 guys who are 12/10/20/10/10/14/12/20/10/20 just to see who can score on them, i wonder if any guys like it have existed before?

Another lie the general public of BB tells people is SB has no elastics, SB training is prob more elastic y then 1v1f.
Training SB will train your IS your REB and your ID as well as your SB. If you alternate SB/ID training you will likely pop one or both every week at young ages. Pretty nice elastic there for not having any elastic effects.

Another lie the general public of BB tells people is SB has no elastics, SB training is prob more elastic y then 1v1f.

It has elastics with ID and RB and both these skills cannot be trained passively during outside training as IS. ID does get a bump from OD training but it's so much smaller than what IS gets from 1v1 that it's pointless to even mention it.

If you alternate SB/ID training you will likely pop one or both every week at young ages. Pretty nice elastic there for not having any elastic effects.

That has nothing to do with elastics, SB is a very fast training regime. Much faster than any other inside skill and I believe ID grows from SB secondary training more than it does from IS secondary training.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/6/2016 8:34:00 AM

Its not that I dont think RB doesnt work, I find the added effect above 14 or so to be negligent and would rather put the extra skills somewhere else. I do find it important to win the rebounding battle and rarely will I be out rebounded.
Id rather save the $$ that higher levels of RB cost and put those SP into SB or a scoring skill, IMO anything more then 14 rebounding is just inflation for minimal kick-back skill wise

My kid is averaging 20+ RPG in D1 and has got a good world ranking on both OREB and DREB. And that is the reason my starting lineup holds on against other teams and my backups get run out of the gym.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/31801722/rankings.aspx

Check that: #1 in rebounds/game league-wise = #4 country-wise
#4 in blocks/game = #46 country-wise

He has very, very high SB, higher than his RB, yet there are another 42 players ahead of him in England in blocks/game in lower (and presumably bot) leagues...going with your reasoning it looks like maybe you don't need very high SB to get very good blocks/game numbers. In fact, if you go in his career stats you will see he had 3.8 blocks/game when he was 18yo (in D3) and he never got close to those numbers again (of course he played a lot out of position, but still)...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/6/2016 2:03:53 PM

I think its hard to compare across divisions and nations, Surely 2.4 Blocks in D1 is not the equivalent of 2.4 blocks in D4 or D3 or even D2 for that matter, By comparison my SF who i train out of position playing at PG mostly, avgs 2.4 blocks a game in USA D.3.
I dont think you train SB just to get blocks, IMO its just another number to help aid in the calculation of him stopping something, helps on every shot type and all situations..why wouldnt I try to exploit this obvious lack of SB in the world.

If your going with my reasoning and your big has higher SB then Reb and is still top 4 country wise in REB stats then I think that reinforces the idea that SB will help make up for that lost REB/Make what you have far better.

I think the breakdown is that if you take a guy with high IS/REB/ID/SB he will be pretty astronomical on the salary scale, you have to save somewhere in order to prop up elsewhere, Id assume thats why most people dont train SB, they want the guy to rebound, where I would rather ride my Defense and hope for a team effort in rebounding