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Getting top of the draft does NOT guarrantee a good draft pick. Besides taking the money spent on scouting, there also has to be a good draftee in the entire league + if more than 1 manager tries to get #1 draft pick in a lower league it's not as simple as losing to human teams and getting #1 draft pick. Also, people tank anyways and make huge money while losing almost everything - at least someone will bebefit from that, instead of bot teams taking good draftees who are useless to them.

Only skim-read the topic, but I agree with Perpete.

* If more players hit the market, the value of players goes down. It is already cheap and easy to buy trainees thanks to the boosts to the draft (especially the large increase in skills of 19 year olds). When I started the advice was to buy trainees with 7 potential, these days everyone can afford 8-9 potential. The only reason to buy less is for training U21 players or maybe a very niche build that doesn't benefit from it.

* Yes, it is frustrating when a 10 potential player is drafted by a bot and is lost to the NT. But if all these players were released then it would reduce the value of everyone who drafted those type of players. In the past (and probably going forward), the club teams come ahead of the national teams.

* These days you are guaranteed at least one 5/5 player in the draft, and in most drafts I've seen (small sample) there are several. Plus a handful of others who are worth something. So yes, you are very likely to draft at least one good player with a high draft pick. Even if your league is full of bots, you are still likely to draft well. Bots pick randomly so you have an excellent chance of getting some of the players at the top of your list.

BB changes over the last years are always focused on the training (more facilities, extended years without skilldrops, luxury training tax, etc) and you say that flood the transfer list with young players is a bad thing? WOW

Excuse me to disagree, but there is no problem with that. There will be more players, yes. Value of those players will go down, yes (and? Everyteam will have more opportunities, bringing them to more equality and cutting down prices with develope players, so more team will have chances to create good teams = more competition).

I guess only the rich managers are against this suggestion, because this will bring more competitors to them in a few years. Anyone else who really likes the training part of this game (the fun part of the game tbf) will also have more opportunities.

I keep saying this could be a win-win situation.

It's literally my suggestion, I've never picked from lower then #14, behind a few bots is DIV but also behind mostly human teams...? No? If transferlisting is not as good as I thought then just banish bots from draft...? Even then draft requires money input to ensure a good pick and make use of the #1 pick, also deflation of draftee prices and - int the long run - players as a whole will just raise competetiveness since it will be easier to afford better players, no? What about managers who start tanking in Division I and drop all the way down to Division IV? Also, I don't know how the situation is in other countries, but in Poland the U21 coach always seems to be in need of good youngsters - better draft could get more people into training for U21.
Also, I'm starting to see a logical flaw - apparently, The big issue is that flooding market with draftees will cause mass deflation, making draft not worth it, but also people will tank in DIV 4 will take advantage od #1 draft pick and make easy money? Please explain this combo - managers will mąkę money off off not-worth-it draft? Am I missing something?

Last edited by Hubsoniusz at 8/19/2024 5:17:35 PM

Of course I stand by this suggestion because it would benefit "me" (you don't know how little I care about Draft in Spain as I train 0 players from this country), the same way you don't like because you have other purposes in BB. Where's the problem?
Furthermore, since you tried to "make fun" of my team and my poor results... Yes, I'm a very bad manager when it comes to compete, so I don't like it. I only play BB to train young players. Guilty.

If you can't see that this suggestion would benefit globally more people that don't, there's not much more to talk about. More young player = more motivated managers to train = more managers staying in the game = more Supporters acquired. And of course, more good players will become on more good teams.

It seems you have the need to be always right. Chill out, man. It's only a couple of suggestions. BB Staff will do whatever prefer, as it has been throughout it's life. We, managers, didn't have any option to decide anything ever.
I was familiar with your game in the Forums(specially from few years back), but the past weeks were even harder to talk to you.

I read the messages and your suggestions, you have a very passive-agressive way of writing, if you want to be understood better I would suggest to tone down that attitude and actually focus on writing about pros and cons of this suggestion, instead of bloated messages and false affirmations like "only rich players are against this suggestion".

Regarding this suggestion, let's enumerate a few points we can discuss, with current draft situation:~

- 58 TSP HoF'ers would easily go for 1.5M before the draft skill boosted the 19 year old age tier.

Now we regularly see GREAT HoF'ers going for 500k-800k unless they have a very specifically sought build.

So we are already talking about a reduction of 3x in original player prices in a few seasons, plus now we have way more players to pick up from the transfer list due to the boost to the 19y/s.

I have been scouting and I can easily find GREAT trainess for incredibly cheap (MVP+) that could also reach my national team if traind properly.


- How will your suggested change really impact the market, specifically draftee prices, at the moment?

We already saw a huge reduction in player prices, I repeat, even newbies like me can easily afford great superstar draftees for their teams (MVP/HOF).

You are suggesting that the market be flood with draftees from bot teams, do you understand the implications of this? What are you suggesting is that draftees should become worthless due to the sheer numbers of draftees that would come from bot teams.

I agree that maybe, in leagues where there are 1 or 2 bot teams MAXIMUM due to users who became botified, should not have first picks in draft if they end last. But no more than that. Users in leagues where there are more than 2 bot teams should not benefit from this.


- Nobody said draft guarantees you great players

This is a basketball sim, just like in real life, you never know what can come from the draft each season, it's based on luck, you don't deserve great players just because you tanked and sacrificed a season. When a user sacrifices a season to end up last, or many draft points, they willingly accept that the draft can be good or bad.



- Micronations

I see that you are managing a micronation, let me ask you this, if bot teams start to release drafted players in the market, how do you think it will impact micronations? Positively or negatively?

Let me answer my opinion: VERY NEGATIVELY.

For every good Andorrean player that would be released from nations of Europe, 100 good polish draftees would be released, 100 of spanish players would be released, 100 of USA players would be released, 100 of Italian players would be released.

Now let me ask you, who do you think people will try to train to eithe sell for profit or try to reach NT, micronations players or polish/italian/spanish?

I think you know the answer to this question.


So my opinion on this suggestion is a VERY BIG no.

Hey, putting young people on the transfer list is unfair. A manager investing in the draft in a given league has no chance of selecting a legend because you want to take him over and put him up for sale. this is not fair play towards teams with a small budget who will not be able to afford to buy such a star. A rich man will buy this star, train him, sell it for a higher price and become even richer. That's the point. Where is the thrill of choosing when you know you won't get a star? so where?