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Yes you are correct that happens and it will not get fined. But we are talking about managers that constantly list their players overpriced. Deliberately. As you have said before: you think players are valued by you (if you think player is worth 1mil, he is worth 1mil), which is not actually true. Players have theyr value range and you can't will a player valued at 500k to be 1mil all of a sudden.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/12/2010 5:08:49 AM

You can take that $1k as a minimal contract signing. Cheating would be if you buy your player for scrimmage that is worth below 1k and then try to sell him at a price let's say 10k. I see nothing wrong with buying and then releaseing the player after scrimmage to cut wages.
Cheating and overpriceing can be done with players in any range, even those valued below 5k.

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary - you refuse to consider any alternative point of view on any given topic. You question the ethics of day trading and proclaim this is something you abhor... but picking up a player who you have no intention of ever using other than to ensure you get proper training and then dumping is ok for you!

There is no difference between either act - day trading just happens to be riskier and involves greater start up capital.

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary

That's a blatant lie. You could read this thread through, I have considered alternatives within this thread.
How can you say daytrading and buying and releasing is the same thing. Please explain.

what alternativ did you post, was it to stand up in the middle of the night to sell at the rigth time one :)

There really is no compromise in your vocabulary

That's a blatant lie. You could read this thread through, I have considered alternatives within this thread.
How can you say daytrading and buying and releasing is the same thing. Please explain.

Take any roster of under 8 players (not normal but within the realms of normality if you are only due to play 2 competitive matches and a scrimmage).

2x5x48 gives 480 mins of to divide amongst your players + 2x48 (assuming 2 position training for your scrimmage trainees) so you now have 576 minutes which if you manage successfully you can get your 8 players 70-80mins (which with a massage doctor should get you optimal GS)

But to get full training you have 3 empty slots in your scrimmage. What do you do?

In your world its alright to buy (even overpay) for $1k players and then dump them, but
In your world its not alright to buy more skilled players for your team and then look to sell them off for a profit after they play in your scrimmage?

If you are lucky the 3 players you play alongside your 2 trainees in your scrimmage will also get 48mins. Surely if someone of the right age and skill was bought and played 48mins and was listed so that he came to his new team with full training and potentially better GS he would be more valuable than at the point you bought him a few days earlier?? If you play any guy under 22/23 in a position like PG or C where the new manager might be single position training this week there is definitely added value to doing so.

You argue about wanting to play the game ethically and buying to dump players is hardly that - its a blatant abuse of a flaw in the system... this is easier to rectify (another topic altogether) but just because someone doesnt want to throw $3k away to buy 3 scrubs one week they get lambasted by you and other anti-day traders for using their cash reserves and putting them to work for them. Why not buy 3 x $100k players and look to re-list and sell for $150k? If you are able to pass them on with more training you are acting more within the strucure of the game than buying just to release people out of the system.

You simply react only what you like ... no reaction to my example of my transfers which was against your theory.

You can not base your argument on one team only. So you are correct, I will not react to something that proves nothing.

In your world its alright to buy (even overpay) for $1k players and then dump them, but
In your world its not alright to buy more skilled players for your team and then look to sell them off for a profit after they play in your scrimmage?

That's exactly what I am saying.
Do you even understand how farfetched your argument is? If he has 8 players, if he buys 3 players, if next buyer is training single position, if they manage to play 48 minutes.

Why not buy 3 x $100k players and look to re-list and sell for $150k? If you are able to pass them on with more training you are acting more within the strucure of the game than buying just to release people out of the system.

If you really train them, then you are adding value to them. If you just sell them with no training why should you get more money for them? Try to get back to the tax topic, if you list your player for more than it's worth, even during the daytrading attempt, you should pay tax. But daytrading is another topic alltogether.
Take the scrimmage scrub as a $1k salary contract player. Just like a 10 day contract.

If you really train them, then you are adding value to them. If you just sell them with no training why should you get more money for them? Try to get back to the tax topic, if you list your player for more than it's worth, even during the daytrading attempt, you should pay tax. But daytrading is another topic alltogether.
Take the scrimmage scrub as a $1k salary contract player. Just like a 10 day contract.

If you buy someone in average GS on Monday and list them to sell Thursday where they arrive at the new owner with perfect minutes and 48mins in a training position you are adding value to the player. Remember the 'day trader' takes him on in his current shape of poor GS and doesnt benefit from the minutes, he polishes him up for someone else to enjoy and benefit from.

My argument might seem far fetched but when you are running at a loss or the margins between success and failure are very thin (as they tend to be in pyramid style games) you again misunderestimate how some people will attempt to create slight advantages.

This in a way is no different to NT's trying to buy opposition NT players with farm teams and then ruin their GS. Why do they do it? Because they can and it might create a competitive advantage.

Back to the topic, you have expressed that you want a tax levied based on nothing other than a personal opinion that stems from your own disatisfaction of seeing players at prices you wouldnt even conceive.

If I buy a player on Monday for $100k and believe I've added sufficient value to justify listing for $150k and someone agrees great.. if their doesnt happen to be a suitable buyer for my listed guy that week - I suck up the wage on the economic update and I can try again the following week.

Maybe I should ask to impose a tax on you for buying a $1k guy and then dumping him.. perhaps whenever you sack a player within 1 month of buying him you pay 20x his wage as severence for ending his career? Perhaps this would stop people treating scrimmages so lightly?

Comon game shape and training do not cost half of his price. I'm not against buying low selling normal or top end. But if it does not sell at that top end or you overprice the player you should pay extra tax.
Your argument is about managers playing on the edge of cheating, deliberately trying to sell players over theyr value to managers who are not experienced enough.
I also had a suggestion how to stop farm teams. But it needs more work to limit these things happening.

Back to the topic, you have expressed that you want a tax levied based on nothing other than a personal opinion that stems from your own disatisfaction of seeing players at prices you wouldnt even conceive.

I want players that do not sell get taxed for 1% of their listing price. Atm there are no downside for fishing clicks or deliberately trying to cheat out money from lesser experienced players. It has nothing to do with which players I like or would like to buy. It's about managers who constantly overprice theyr players in order to gain unfair advantage. Are you saying these managers do not exist? or do you not care that they exist?

Maybe I should ask to impose a tax on you for buying a $1k guy and then dumping him.. perhaps whenever you sack a player within 1 month of buying him you pay 20x his wage as severence for ending his career? Perhaps this would stop people treating scrimmages so lightly?

You can suggest that if you want. I do not buy 1k players as I run 13 player squad. If I get hit with injury bug I can still manage without adding players to my team. You can suggest that sacking wage to protect NT players, I would love a rule that makes you play every player you buy for 5 games or receive no money if you sell him within a month of buying him:) I know my suggestion directly hurts you aswell. You can't come up with any idea that would actually hurt me, why? because I do not bend the rules.