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No one complained when, in season three, they added 44 countries, one of which was Poland, the third largest
country in BB.
On a macro-level, very few of the 29526 managers playing the game will notice or be adversely affected by this move. Those who are negatively affected will be roughly the same in number as those who enjoy a positive effect from the change. If you agree with this supposition, then it is difficult to argue against the change. Like hrudey says, if you are not into the idea, don't get involved.

I have never lived abroad? LOL Boy if that were true life would be easier...but boring...

I see you want the 2nd team to reconnect with your homeland...hmmm... I see this whole fantasy about the nation/community in BB representing the realworld nation, yet you want to throw out the idea of comparing BB with the real world...which is it?

If you join up to Australia, because you want to connect with Australia...what if there were 1 Auzzie to every 10 foreigners. What if you landed in a league of 16 teams, that like Japan, didn't have any natives and everyone spoke Chinese, or Polish in the forums? Would you be happy to have that team with the Australian flag, if it was just a picture that meant nothing?

What if all they wanted to do was talk about crocodiles and Fosters beer and knew jack-all about actual Australian culture?

So you can't have your cake and eat it to. The BBs can't let you sign up for a 2nd team in a nation that you don't live and actually give any kind of guarantee whatsoever that the people playing in that league, voting on the NT, training players of that nationality etc. are actually from that nation, speak the language etc.. You'll connect with having the flag stamped on the team and players and that is it.

With a large enough nation and volunteers to analyze carefully every application they could try to establish some rules or guidelines for each nation to try to make sure people have a legit reason/connection to whatever place they want to play in. I am actually for something like this...but its more work, more rules, more complications. My understanding is the BBs want as little case-by-case as possible. They want blanket rules that can be applied easily to everyone as transparently as possible. They don't hardly have to manpower to dev let alone do customer service. Their biggest workforce...is all volunteers...which also represents their biggest customer base, whom they don't charge or collect any money from in lew of the free labor...

How would they decide who can play in Japan, for example. most of the people already playing there aren't Japanese and many don't speak Japanese fluently. Those who do hardly ever bother using Japanese, NTs, forums...you guys talk all in English. You have had some users playing there that don't even speak English OR Japanese fluently. What grounds could you deny any new applicant from any corner of the world? And what meaning for any native Japanese would having the Japan flag and leagues have then? (has little now as it is)

I get the calling the new place for 2nd teams 'Utopia' has its issues. But letting people cross borders for a fee...kinda also amounts to letting people for free if you think about it. If you are gonna let people invade a country if they pay for it, what is the justification for not letting them sign up initially, for the free team, wherever they want?

Also, this new Utopia (I hope they don't call it that actually) will only be entered if you pay. I love this. I have always wanted to not play against free teams. I guarantee you the competition level will be completely different, the activity, the forums etc. etc. will be completely different. I can't wait.

If it was just another team in another nation. Like the famous Chinese NT world champ/b3 champ player that was trained in Pakistan....people don't need to pay money to have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 20th team. So they would be asking people to pay for something they already steal (weren't suppose to have). This Utopia thing truly creates a product people can only pay for. That is a very smart move IMO.

This makes a certain amount of sense.
However, surely you are aware of the all Australian private league that has been around for many seasons, and I imagine that the overlords of that league would allow you entrance if you were to drop a few "mozzies down at Skenes Creek" or Bogues beer references. And, if that league is defunct, you could begin a new one. What's more, you are not blocked from participating in the Australian forums because you play in Japan. Both of those ideas could help you reconnect with the nostalgia of your days in Australia.

Anyway, your point is taken and I am not trying to argue. For various reasons, I have followed Japan's league for a while and you
seem like an interested and engaged participant in this silly game. Too bad you don't like the idea, because Uluru would be a better league if you joined.


Last edited by Rovan at 3/8/2014 11:28:46 AM

They don't have to call it Utopia= my point.

I've seen the complaint about calling the 99th country Utopia several times and I always wonder why what it's called matters to a anyone. They could call it "Gary Busey's Teeth" or "pants off dance off!"and it would make zero difference in actual gameplay or how the new country is set up.

I guess I'll start a poll on webcast the new country skills be named.

Pants off dance off would be a horrible idea - I don't know about you, but there's no way I ever want to see the low post in pants off dance off!

this seems GMs + USA vs Rest of the world xdddddddddd
when an idea like this has newbies (more or less newbies) managers as strongest defenders ... or managers that never has played top level (and never would play though they think other thing) sounds at least bad

Your argument is weak. You are doing an attact "ad hominem" instead of refuting their ideas.

So much hate! SO much hate over it...

If you don't like it, don't pay the 10$ do not get the utopia team. if you are against the players, don't buy utopian Born players...

blah blah blah

put your mouth where your "skills" are, and join the utopia, win it, and shut everyone up.

Seems fair to me, 1st Utopian team to win B3, gets to decide if they feel Utopia is a good idea or not, since the votes nearly 55-45 etc.

That seems fair to me.

This makes a certain amount of sense.
However, surely you are aware of the all Australian private league that has been around for many seasons, and I imagine that the overlords of that league would allow you entrance if you were to drop a few "mozzies down at Skenes Creek" or Bogues beer references. And, if that league is defunct, you could begin a new one. What's more, you are not blocked from participating in the Australian forums because you play in Japan. Both of those ideas could help you reconnect with the nostalgia of your days in Australia.

I realise both of those things... but I've been part of a PL network (with about 6 scaled PLs, each with around 12 teams) for 10 seasons now (since it's inception by GM-Jason), I'd prefer to stay there too.
Forum activity... is not quite the same, I'd still feel a lil' like an intruder.

But thanks for the sentiment - and I may just drop by down-under (forum-wise), a bit.


And if "Utopia" was indeed named "Uluru"... it'd have a better chance of getting me!