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nope it wouldnt be difficult.

in the NT debate thread just a few above this post that I am replying to, some off the very active and most knowledgeable english coaches agreed that there are 3 perhaps 4 good trainees in this seasons draft, players that we would consider training. this is just not my opinion. So as I am sure you can agree that is not alot to choose from... So it would be an easy job...

woah, woah, I'm sure there are more than that - just only that number on the transfer list.

As I thought. It's not because the country is inactive that the players will not appear.

@ Astragoth-I think you will need to answer me again

ah yeah that is what I ment... there are more, I am tired and I am not thinking straight :) I had about 15 on my bookmarks the other day, after scouting top league and 2nd divisions, so I guess with the 3rd divisions mostly having active teams this would be about 45 possible candidates. I am sure we can find the best 3 to 5 from that once we have a better overview as to what is available to us in this seasons draft

But as I said, the splayers are not that different at the 18 years. And maybe a player who's weaker now, because of his heigh, he will be better at 21

i think this is very obvious and me as a coach playing for 6 seasons now, knows this. so what is it that you really are trying to say with this?

secondly i have asked you now many times, what criteria would you use to select your U21 players?

All these guys are now 22 - so this is a typical pool of 18yr olds, I'd suggest. Actually, it should be quite a bit stronger nowadays considering how many new coaches we have...


UPDATED:
Guys with 4k+salary and allstar potential or better, or 3.5kish salary and superstar potential or better. Tier III scouting now finished.

18 yr old prospects

PGs
John Costabile (5864968) Super Blue Sox
Vadish Jitesh (5865252) Allstar Chi-Town Bulls
Aidan O Coilean (5864596) Super Northern Allstars
Bruno Tate (5864441) Star Hazel grove Wizards

SGs
Jeremy Gao (5865007) HoF Balamb SeeDs
Richard Heaney (5864702) Super Plymouth
Martin MacLerie (5864887) Peren Flakers
Brad Perea (6357085) Peren Thamesmead
Morris Scully (5864439) Allstar Talon Tomahawks
David Tarrill* (5864548) Starter Violet Ultras
Geoffrey Watson (5864537) HoF Sams Landscapes

SFs
Carl Appleby (6379153) Peren the knights templers
Lewis Jemahl (5864605) Super Bertys Big Boys
Donnan Johnson (5864924) Peren Iurbentia Bibao UK
Neil Lockyer (5864510) Super Boing Diddy Boing
Ed Lovecraft (5864880) MVP Iurbentia Bilbao UK
Martin Watt (5864870) Peren freaksteam

PFs
Christopher Corcoran (5864921) MVP Iurbentia Bilbao UK
Christopher Dow (5864851) Super freaksteam
Stephen Hardman (5864818) Peren big blue ball bouncers

Centres
Michael Dobson (5864485) MVP Tadley Puntas
Neil Duguid (5864723) Allstar Digital Mosquitos
Alec Featherstone (5864786) Peren Woodside Thunder
Jonathan Wesley (5864872) Super morillos team
Brian Woodworth (5864700) HoF Mozzas Marvels

my 19 yr olds, all now 23

PGs
Brendan Coulson (4701267) Peren Gauson
Nick Giordano (4701426) MVP RTM Stars
Jimmy Marshall (4701259) Peren bc erglis

SGs
Adrian Donovan* (4701467) Allstar Alverstoke United
Roddy Gilbert (4701372) Super Conclave Clusters
Diptanshu Gupta (5344011) HoF mike utd
Tom Hussain (5865260) Super Chi-Town Bulls
Neil Jackson (4701281) Peren Kiel Bonobos
Barnett Singleton* (4701385) Super Los mikitos
John Swabey (4701423) Allstar Cant Dunk for Toffee
Frank Trainer (5864684) MVP Royston Vasey

SFs
Hunter Dominey (5287045) Peren white hors
Buster Lanoue (4701807) Allstar Maidstone Giants
Travis Mayes* (4701449) MVP Alverstoke United
Calum McKay* (4701806) Allstar Phayd Away
Mark Alexander* (4701659) Peren ASBOs


PFs
Terrell Gallagher* (4701535) Star Spartak MSK
James Lewis (5864522) Peren East India Trading Company
Hunter McLeod* (4701301) Allstar Da Bombs
Nick Trainer (5864572) Super Alperton BC

Centres
Gonzalo Anguiano (4701293) Peren Tatatallfella
Mark Blanchfield (4701262) Allstar bc erglis
Richard Thomas (4701349) Peren Whetstone Wizards
Jordan Cains (4701761) Super Arsenal Dunkers

the ones with an asterix I had in my squad


Last edited by Elmacca at 9/10/2009 3:55:59 PM

I know you know this. I'm just asking you how would you choose them. You want to choose 5 players from 50. How would you do that. I mentioned some ways you could choose, but you didn't said wich would you choose.



For me, the most important thing in the U21 team would be if the players are being trained. As I said before, an above-average player, if not being trained, will be worse than an average player at the middle of the season. So this would be the first priority. Then, I would choose the ones wich I can be sure that they will keep their shape high. Because good player with low gameshape, is like a normal player with good game shape. After this, I would look at the skills. I would select balanced players, because theese can be used during all season, and maybe save a spot for a monoskill, if he could help us in a game that we had to win. But,as we don't have that need, monoskills are not needed.

I think that this are the main things in a U21 NT and if you don't agree, tell me how would you answer this question you've made me

A lively debate.

I commend your stance and application and honestly feel that you would be the right candidate.

Even though I am English, I burnt my bridges with the community a few seasons back when debating - maybe it was my tone/directness, but almost certainly being an outsider had something to do with it. (how can someone from outside of England possibly do a better job/how can we trust them!)

Now its ironic that within the first page of this thread there is a display of obvious internal paranoia about a fellow english coach having access to skills of rival EBBL managers players. *Amazing as this was a situation afforded to Elmacca and in regular season finished behind 2 teams that started BB after him last season with his 'extra knowledge'.

Quite honestly this is ludicris. Surely you have more important concerns than being worried about whether someone can see if one of your bench players has Strong ID as opposed to Resp/average?!

You then have a Astrogoth throwing his name in the ring (and confessing he doesnt really want the job) Captain Falafel (class name!) then making a speech without even realising Astrogoth is standing for the position....

I sincerely hope that the precious few in this community do see past your country of domicile and vote for you. I believe if you are true to your word and upcoming managers listen to you that England could have a half decent roster of players in 3-4 seasons from now.

Good luck.
Superfly

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 9/11/2009 2:28:18 AM

This is a very lively debate, and I am glad some fresh blood jumps in.

First off all let me say that whatever is following is like a question to you and not an attack, nor a defense.Im trying to understand whether I havent been clear enough when i gave my reasons for putting myself up for election,or for any off the other things/plans etc I said on these forums.

On numerous occasions I have seen people on the BB forums, jump the gun,respond and totally ignoring the reasonings why you come to something you said. To my knowledge I always give reasoning, and for me a debate isnt about argueing who is right and wrong, but more a form off sharing opinions, than at the end go home, and form a new opinion with the new ideas you have. Like I said, or I have been totally unclear or you are just ignoring the obvious and perhaps havent read all the threads. Cant blame you, because there are so many.

1. first off all I dont know how the other english coaches see this. so this is my opinion and my opinion alone. I give a rats where the other candidates are from. However in the past, we had to choose between a not so experienced coach from an english team or from an NBBA team or a canadian coach. I have my opinion for this and I have reasoned it very well too, atleast that is what I thought. Let me repeat my reasoning.

* The NT coach needs to be able to communicate as good as is possible, obviously a native english speaker or a near english native speaker would get my preference.

* I would prefer someone from a country where basketball is a national sport. Where you grow up and where the headlines off the backside off a newspaper could be about Basketball, where when you watch the sports news on tv they are talking about basketball. To give you another example, I play hattrick too and I would vote for an english coach instead off an austrian coach even if I am half dutch and half austrian, simply because wherever you go in england you cant escape the football headlines. You barely ever hear about the NBA and I know that it is similar in Portugal, or for my sake Mongolia, so indeed if a Mongolian would apply he wouldnt get my vote in Buzzerbeater for these reasons, not because he is Mongolian and I dont like them. Like I said, I cant say what others ment or thought when they said they didnt want our portugese friends to be the new Engish coach, because until now, even although they say they have prepared this months in advice, has anyone received any emails from them before this election or see them take part on the english forums? Secondly I am not English, so why would they vote for me? Perhpaps because I am an upcomming team, doing a great job and they have noticed this and since I am a very active member off the English community, I can think off many morer easons why people would want another coach than our portugese friends.

* You arer right, I have never thought about becoming the English U21 coach, have you ever thought about why and more importantly why i decided to join in? again I am not paranoia and i could care less about where the other candidates are from. However when I read the other speeches, looked at their teams and the progress they have made, I dont see anything special. Secondly, all my life I have been told I am overly critical towards myself, in my job and my personal life. Always resulting in helping others instead off going for the great opportunity myself. Yes, always missing out. This time around I thought I can do atleast an equal good job as the other candidates. So what is wrong with that?

* Than you mention that 2 people at the same time made a speech and applied to the job and than 1 withdrew. Why do you mention this? I can only think off 1 reason, and pls educate me when I am wrong and am missing some other good reasoning. However, perhaps Captain Falafel thought I am the better candiate (this could be for many reasons) or we could have a better chance if we work as a team.