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I dont know where this "new teams start in Div III"-idea comes from, I believe I made the first suggestion that proposed to put new teams in the lowest possible league, in small countries this would mean Div V or maybe IV.

That would give teams in Austria (starting in Div V), at least one full season of bot-bashing, before playing against few human teams while still having a couple of bots in the league.

When I started the game I was going up and down between Div II, where I got slaughtered and Div III, where I had happy times of easy training and winning easily. Those easy seasons definitely saved me from quitting. Even if you have the "bonus" of starting in a higher league, it takes you at least three full seasons to develop stadium and roster to close the gap and turn your swag on.

I dont know where this "new teams start in Div III"-idea comes from, I believe I made the first suggestion that proposed to put new teams in the lowest possible league, in small countries this would mean Div V or maybe IV.

That would give teams in Austria (starting in Div V), at least one full season of bot-bashing, before playing against few human teams while still having a couple of bots in the league.

When I started the game I was going up and down between Div II, where I got slaughtered and Div III, where I had happy times of easy training and winning easily. Those easy seasons definitely saved me from quitting. Even if you have the "bonus" of starting in a higher league, it takes you at least three full seasons to develop stadium and roster to close the gap and turn your swag on.

Let's make it simple - in which division (upon current status) will Japan new users will start from?

As you've brought yourself as an example please tell (and try to be honest):
1) Where you had joined at season 7 (12 seasons ago), how many "real"-users had been at your Div-3 league?

2) What will you do in case you would started at Div-5, or Div-4 and see not even a single "real"-user for at least a season?

3) How many more assets and how much stronger are today's Div-3 and Div-2 teams (for example) compared to the teams when you've started playing?

4) How much growth had been on your own Austrian's league?
How many users had been when you've joined and how many are there now?

Except the first season (that you had started at the second division), you had only been relegated once from Div-2, after a single season there.
Maybe you forgot...

Today there are 98 users at the Austrian league - meaning that about 18 users at those 16 Div-3 leagues.
Just a reminder...

his huge rant can yet again be summarised in 1 word

wrong

Sheikh Knecht can see it i think it was his idea
GM-Perpete can see it
wolph can see it
manon can see it
jay m can see it
malice can see it
everyone but pini can see it

just start new teams in the lowest league in their nation

from now on i will take pini disagreeing with something as proof that the idea is good!

Last edited by abigfishy at 3/9/2012 8:08:08 PM

I dont know where this "new teams start in Div III"-idea comes from, I believe I made the first suggestion that proposed to put new teams in the lowest possible league, in small countries this would mean Div V or maybe IV.

in India, Div. III is the lowest.

I will admit that the problem is not so bad in India because we have 139 teams so there is some amount of randomization but there are still teams that start in Div. I and not one of them continue. Most of the players never log back in so we have about 20 active teams with most of Div. II being effectively bot. I spent an extra year in Div II because of some bad luck but even when I knew what was going on, I still did not find it boring to play bots because of training and the personal goal of dominating the MVP vote and the All-Star game.

I agree that these are personal opinions but they seem to be the opinions of everyone in the smaller nations. Where is the problem if we start in a lower division?

I will admit that the problem is not so bad in India because we have 139 teams so there is some amount of randomization but there are still teams that start in Div. I and not one of them continue. Most of the players never log back in so we have about 20 active teams with most of Div. II being effectively bot. I spent an extra year in Div II because of some bad luck but even when I knew what was going on, I still did not find it boring to play bots because of training and the personal goal of dominating the MVP vote and the All-Star game.

I agree that these are personal opinions but they seem to be the opinions of everyone in the smaller nations. Where is the problem if we start in a lower division?

There are much more points that you didn't even responded to...
But...Let's continue with that point...
When you have been playing only BOTs teams, you will not stay there more than that season, and you will get back to the same division that users who currently starts there are just quitting the game. So no gain there.

You're also trying to claim that when playing against all BOT teams, you enjoy just as much.
So why having any real-competitors? There are games that are against just BOT.
We all know what it would feel like playing just BOT.