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Opposite to you examples DT does not "simulate2 real basketball at all and furthermore for most people it ruinds the "game experience".

Most people? I'm sorry I just see about 20 people complaining in this thread out of nearly 17.000 players total.

And honestly, the people complaining should just move on if they don't like it. Most of them are not paying anything for it, which in my eyes also invalidates a large portion of their complaints. I find it rather annoying to see that the ones that pay supporter and invest time (like doom and myself) are being attacked for our succesfull way of playing the game. While the ones that don't invest like you are complaining.

And furthermore if you don't like people making money trading, then don't buy of of them. From now on just check if they've often made a profit and if you don't like them, don't buy their player. Just look elswhere for another player or find a game that doesn't involve trading or money.

On a final note: Complainers never achieve greatness, but the ones looking for creative and legal ways to get ahead do!


edit: I have no problem whatsoever with the 20% tax and wouldn't have a problem with other measures either. Just have a problem with people who talk about DT like its a crime and ruining everything.


Edited by LA-Floppzzy (12/19/2007 1:10:32 PM CET)

Last edited by Floppzzy at 12/19/2007 1:10:32 PM

And honestly, the people complaining should just move on if they don't like it. Most of them are not paying anything for it, which in my eyes also invalidates a large portion of their complaints.

Well of course you could move on, or you can choose to try to improve the game. My guess is that the BBs are thankful for active users that tell them what they like or not.

And furthermore if you don't like people making money trading, then don't buy of of them.

Sorry to tell, but this is really ignorant. To go through transfer history each time you want to buy a player is frankly not anything fun at all, and even if I would it would still not help as everyone, or at least a lot, must do this utterly booring check everytime they want to buy a player to make this work.

On a final note: Complainers never achieve greatness, but the ones looking for creative and legal ways to get ahead do!

Just another comment that shows that you completely misunderstood what peopleare saying. We are not complaing about you using the system as it is designed today. This is your right to do as long as the rules permit it. Some people might not like it, or not be too impressed about sthose using strategy, but as long as it is allowed we'll have to accept it.

What we are complaining about is that this possibility exists. Therefore we what to evolve the game in a direction that we believe in. If you classify people that want to change things as "complainers" then you should ask that "stuipid" South African "complainer" Nelson Mandela for instance if he believes that he acieved something by complaining or not.

I guess I'm number 21.

If you classify people that want to change things as "complainers" then you should ask that "stuipid" South African "complainer" Nelson Mandela for instance if he believes that he acieved something by complaining or not.

Nelson Mandela was a do-er not a complainer, he was willing to risk life and limbs for what he believed in, so please do not compare yourself with someone like that over something as little as this...

I don't like daytrading, think its unrealistic and will never do it.

That said, this game varies from others because I should be able to acquire good talent for 'free' (after scouting costs) in the draft no matter what the day traders do. Unlike HT where my youth promotions had to be in the position I was training to be of lasting value to me, in BB I can easily train any position for long enough that I should be able to profit. Once I've made that sale, I should enter the market for better quality players and I doubt that market will be dominated by daytrading once the game settles in.

I"m also willing to wait and assess the effects of stamina loss and sales tax changes, of which I'm hopeful will make daytrading far less profitable.

And if all else fails, no one is forcing you to buy the offerings of daytraders. I check out the players I'm bidding on and if I see evidence of daytrading, I don't bid over team's acquistion price.

In other words, if you don't like daytrading, don't bid. Boycott daytraders.

It looks like your are complaining about complainers... does this make you a complainer too? :)
Just kidding :)

Everybody is just giving his own opinions and very politely, I find. I like this kind of threads and I think BBs and GMs are happy to see many players caring so much about BB.

If this game is going to evolve into a game of buying and selling players like commodities, then I hope it fails.

It's pretty rude to hope that a group of people fail at what they've chosen to do for work.

I don't think you'd want people to wish failure on you in your occupation.

Juice I answer for Som, for sure he will let you know his opinion later

Some posts sounds "aggressive" but think that day traders or anti day traders, who is writing here wants that BB will have a gloriousus future And sincerely this game is very well done even if really young, for this reason we don't want to lose interest to play here for a matter that could be easily solved (and partially it's already solved). In every posts where is written "I'll leave this game" there is always written an "IF" ;)

Edited by ned (19/12/2007 15.17.18 CET)

Last edited by ned at 12/19/2007 3:17:18 PM

Juice I answer for Som, for sure he will let you know his opinion later

Some posts sounds "aggressive" but think that day traders or anti day traders, who is writing here wants that BB will have a gloriousus future And sincerely this game is very well done even if really young, for this reason we don't want to lose interest to play here for a matter that could be easily solved (and partially it's already solved). In every posts where is written "I'll leave this game" there is always written an "IF" ;)

I can understand that...sometimes I forget that English isn't the 1st language for a lot of our users, and something that wasn't meant to be so aggressive can come across that way.

I am not comparing me nor any one else to him, and if you tried to read and understand what I wrote instead of getting defensive you would see that.

You might not agree with what I believe as the best diercetion for BB to go, but that doesn't mean that you deliberatly (I really hope that it is because otherwise you scare me a lot) must missunderstand what I am wirting.

Think about this scenario: What if you where against some part of the BB design and thought it spoiled the over all game experience. Which measures would you take to try to change this:

A) Try to discuss this topic on the conference and tell people why you feel that it ruins the game experience, and hoping that the debate will influence the BBs

B ) quit the game, beacuse taht's what "doers" do acccording to you

C) Just do nothing, beacuse "doers" don't complain

D) Sometinhg else, but I don't know what...

I would pretty much guess that you would go for A), because I do not really believe that you think that and C) are the action of doers (even though it seams to be what you are saying), or D (in this case it would be interesting to see you getting constructive and say what type of action you would take).

D) I would do something else.

I would first try to think of a solution which would seem most fair in my opinion. After that I would post them in the suggestions forum as that is the place to write down your suggestions to alter the game.

I just don't believe in sensless complaining and I prefer to come up solutions instead.

I will make an apology to you and other oppositioners as I've been pretty fierce in words towards everyone. So I'm sorry for the way I sometimes write down my thoughts (The content I stand behind, but the package could be more subtle).

The reason I did get annoyed about the Mandela comment as looked like an insult to my person not understanding someone like Mandela and the great things he accomplished...

I think I'll leave it at this.

Happy Holidays everyone,

Kind regards,

Floppzzy