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I was saying was that I am sure that an 18 year old with superstar potential and great stats is NEVER worth 20k.

That is what you are THINKING not what it reflects in reality. Your guy was 18 year old, superstar potential PG at 6'5 and 3k salary.

What you think is good might not actually be that good. Not everyone falls for the "potential" trap and your guy was really a bit too tall for a PG to train long term as a PG.

Now as I said, with the huge influx of young guys being sold right after the draft, I am not surprised that your guy was actually worth 20k. His value obviously went up 1-2 weeks later when there was less young guys on the market so potential buyers had less guys to choose from.

Are you actually serious? Nobody would search for a buyer from federations. If you list your player for acceptable price the player will be sold. My suggestion would tax managers who constantly list their players for more than what they are worth. It does not matter that you listed your player at the bottom end of TPE, if the player did not sell the price was too high considering height, age, potential, skills etc. How much did you list him for? 20000? 50000? 100000? So you are saying paying 200, 500, 1000 for failing to adequately value your player is too much?

Are you actually serious? Nobody would search for a buyer from federations.

It is already used :-) Buyer for my last big sale I found via federation. I talk about top BB teams which has top BB players.
I still can't understand what is wrong on placing player on TL at any price. If the price is too high, noboby buy him, it doesn't need any restriction.

How many top teams are there making big sale? What's the % of them from 50000 users? The sale via federation is an exception. Used very seldomly.
Let me try to explain it to you again. The point of this addition is to protect newer users and to lessen GM work. Thus making the game more fair. If a manager keeps listing his player (let say worth approximately 500k) constantly at 1,5mil. Perhaps in 3 weeks of listing he will get an accidental or unthoughtful bid on his player and it get's sold at start value of 1,5mil. Is it a fair price? Some people might think it's not. So reported -> fined? Wouldn't it be easier just to tax those risktakers (or bid fishers) instead of reporting and fineing them? I'm not actually sure any fireworks go off for GM-s either. So with no report those overpriceing managers will gain an unfair advantage.
Now before you come with an argument of one sale gives no advantage. True. But I monitor a number of these kind of teams that have 3-5 of those type of players on sale constantly. They sell one get a new player and lists another player above his worth.
With this tax: if he truly wants to sell those players, he will list them near their value. Perhaps even would not list some of them at all.

I was also thinking about this and it doesnt seem right to me make up there aditional charges for not-sold players. Messed Fan Survey is far enough, because to set there the right price - means that you have to know something about TL prices and this kind of knowledge is hard to get, while you dont watch TL frequently.

It means that what you propose, would force managers to have any knowledge, instead of just free trying. Prices are very subjective as well as real skill-value of some players. What most of them would not consider as a so good thing (high DV on his center or ID on PG), would any other time any other manager consider as a fair value... and sometimes it takes a time.

What I would propose would be the thing that you can list a player for more days than 3 if you choose to do so. Like 3-7 days.

Last edited by aigidios at 4/15/2010 10:29:43 AM

I am a supporter of fair play. You are deliberately trying to cheat more money for less value and while doing it you gain an unfair advantage. Taxing will make you second guess about listing players above their value. True or false?

Once, there was this guy who went to the doctor and said "Doc, my knee hurts every time I hit it like this." The doctor said "So don't hit your knee like that."

This remark is irrelevant. You would be surprised how many dumb people go see the doctor for the dumbest reasons you can ever imagine. But that is also beside the point.
So basically what you are saying: if you see someone stealing in the supermarket (or anywhere for that matter), you turn away? I for one would make sure the authoritys get alerted.

If you are unsure about the price, use transfer estimate. The survey has a low effect on your income, just like paying the players salary for the time he is not sold (as you can play him).

Very bad idea.
If i put a player with a crazy price on the market,my objective could be not to sell him immediately at that price,but to show him to some potential buyer,to find a compromise with him for the future price of the player(that i will put again on the market,at the right price this time).Why I should be punished to pursue this perfectly legal practice?

There's yet the TPA system,which isn't perfect,but surely works,to protect the users from who try to make some dirty job(but in TPA system there should be also more control on some decisions made by some less experienced GM,sometimes really questionable)

And this

The point of this addition is... to lessen GM work.

is not a good argument for this idea,because we cannot introduce worst thing in the game because Gms have "too work".It would be better to create more Gms to eliminate the ovverruns works,than improve the game in a worse way,as happened for the transfer threads previously

And this

The point of this addition is... to lessen GM work.

is not a good argument for this idea,because we cannot introduce worst thing in the game because Gms have "too work".It would be better to create more Gms to eliminate the ovverruns works,than improve the game in a worse way

I don't want to derail this discussion, but in the real world, GM capacity does matter. You can't just throw more GMs at problems... from my past experience, it's already hard enough to find sufficent numbers of GMs with the willingness, ability, and trustworthiness to do an effective job.

Last edited by Mod-oeuftete at 4/15/2010 2:05:51 PM

Remember those "+" at team transfers? They were removed because GM-s could not manage the reports (nomatter if there were a lot of fake reports). So if GM-s work with only transfer reports they have less time to adress other issues.
Why do you have to list your player to show theyr skills? Send a BB-mail or post in the forums. If you agree on a price then list him, if you have given the wrong skills the player will not be bought. Simple.

Last edited by Kukoc at 4/15/2010 2:13:16 PM