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actually knicks wins... since the only first round pick is in 2014 and some rubbish second rounds... by then nuggets shouldn't need that pick if they know how to manage the team and already build up a contending team.

think of it as:

Knicks = gets Melo for Chandler and Gallinari (lesser SFs for an elite one although very pure scorer not well rounded at all...)

as well as

Felton for Billups (not a bad trade considering Felton is a pretty below par starter at the PG slot before he came to knicks, aided by the system rather than skills... he can prove me wrong of course)

loses a raw prospect in Randolph which doesnt matter as they are going to be contending

pick up a lot of salary cap as they gotten rid of the terrible contract in Curry and picked up some expiring contracts from the nuggets... Chris Paul, anyone?

Nuggets

loses out their 2 star players and didnt get a whole lot in term of young talent except Chandler. Felton, I am still a critic as well as gallinari... freaking soft! no picks either... would really liked to see a trade with NJ or picked up Fields or Randolph for Gallinari even Felton since they already have a PG in ty lawson... especially with nene and JR smith possible leaving

Minnesota

got a young talent in Randolph just by being in it for a defensive SG...



Last edited by SplitJ at 2/22/2011 2:20:07 AM

I highly doubt they can acquire an elite PG like Paul or Deron.

The Knicks are expected to have four players -- Anthony (at a little more than $20 million), Stoudemire (at a little less than $20 million), Balkman ($1.7 million) and Toney Douglas ($2 million) -- under contract in the 2012 offseason, adding up to about $44 million in payroll. And that does not include Landry Fields, who will be a restricted free agent that summer, or the Knicks' 2011 first-round draft pick. If the Knicks keep and commit to both, the payroll will be several million higher. If not, the Knicks will also have to account for another seven minimum cap holds (assuming that the new salary cap rules require cap holds, which is likely) to reach the required 11-man roster. That would raise their projected cap another $2.5 million, putting them around $46.5 million.

Assuming the salary cap in 2012 is the same that it is this season ($58 million), the Knicks would be looking at $11.5 million in cap space in 2012. However, no one thinks the cap will stay the same. With the owners asking for major concessions from the players in the new collective bargaining session, the cap will most likely be considerably lower.

Even if the NBA lowers the maximum salary that players like Paul, Williams or Howard can make in 2012, it's highly unlikely the Knicks will have the cap space to pay them anything close to the max.

That's a pretty big obstacle, but not an impossible one to overcome. There are other ways of acquiring elite talent.

The Knicks could also try to do what they did with Anthony and make a trade at next season's trade deadline for one of the elite free agents. But the problem with that idea is that they have even less to work with than they did this season. New York won't have a first-round pick they can offer until, at best, 2016 (league rules prohibit teams from trading picks in consecutive years). So what could the Knicks offer a team like the Hornets, Jazz or Magic?

Last edited by iwen at 2/22/2011 2:30:55 AM

Yeah they can, its been said that CP3 wants to pair up with Carmelo in New York in 2012. I guess the Knicks jumped on the gun to get Carmelo to sign his 3 yr 65mil contract to keep him happy. They have already tanked the last 10 seasons, maybe as tank another 4 months and wait for Carmleo to become a FA.
Player -----2010/11 -----2011/12 -----2012/13 -----2013/14 -----2014/15
Amare Stoudemire -----$16,486,611 -----$18,217,705 -----$19,948,799 -----$21,679,893 -----$23,410,988
Ronny Turiaf -----$4,000,000 -----$4,360,000 (player option)
Kelenna Azubuike -----$3,364,000
Roger Mason -----$1,400,000
Toney Douglas -----$1,071,000 -----$1,145,640 -----$2,067,880(team option)
Shawne Williams -----$885,210
Bill Walker -----$854,389 -----$916,100(team option)
Andy Rautins -----$600,000 -----$788,872
Landry Fields -----$473,604 -----$788,872

Chauncey Billups -----$13,150,000 -----$14,200,000(team option)
Renaldo Balkman -----$1,675,000 -----$1,675,000 -----$1,675,000
Shelden Williams -----$915,852
Corey Brewer ----$3,703,472

Chris Paul -----$14,940,152 -----$16,359,805 -----$17,779,457(player option)

according to that in 2012/13 when CP3 is a FA, only amare 20mil, douglas 2mil, fields(resign for 6mil), balkman 1.6mil and carmelo 20mil will be on contract. thats a total of 50mil. Enough left to sign CP3 for around 20mil to make it 70mil LOL

of course next season they can always do a sign and trade with CP3, they will have billups 14mil to match up with CP3's 16mil and have trade baits in turiaf, douglas, bill walker and god forbid landry fields(best player in NY =P).

Yeah, it's a really dumb move. Knicks were kind of pressured in to getting Carmelo at all costs by the public in a way though and have had to give up their future to do so.

Everyone in New York will be thinking "Next up, Chris Paul!" or something like that but nobody is getting real and admitting that the Heat guys all took paycuts to make the Miamt Heat trio work while Amare and Melo have both tried to have their cake and eat it too by going to New York to try and make a contender AND going after max contracts. Can't have both.

NYK gave up way too much talent for what they got in return too. Chandler, Gallinari, Felton, Randolph, Mozgov and picks, all good, young players with heaps of upside for Anthony, Billups and Brewer? Riiiight.

So:

Billups
Fields
Anthony
Amare
Turiaf

Corey Brewer
Toney Douglas
????
????
????


I like the trades for the other teams involved though and glad we should finally get to see Anthony Randolph play a bit. I think the Nuggets will actually get better once they settle too. Sure they lose a little starpower but Ty Lawson can let loose a bit and Chandler is a gun when he gets going.

you guys forget that Melo can be traded to any other teams and if he likes where he is "temporarily" playing, he can easily stay... beside even in the FA, Melo is no sure thing for knicks since other teams will be offering max contracts as well.

Hard cap is $50m. They can't afford to sign Paul. End of.

Only trade for him, but they got nothing.

Knicks are not trading Carmelo Anthony unless something really massive happens and he basically demands an out or he does a Gilbert Arenas or something.
He'll probably sign that 3 year, $65mil contract too so your whole post is kinda silly SplitJ :P

no, I mean Nuggets can trade him anywhere... so he might not sign with the knicks in the offseasons which everyone was so sure off... thats why they had to trade for him...

Oh. The gamble would have been there for the Nuggets if they really wanted him because he's obviously pretty money hungry and i'd say would have been a decent chance to take that 3yr $65mil offer from the Nuggets if there was no trade. Nuggets got the Knicks to give up half their roster though so good for them. Nuggets, you are winnah!

billups is a very good PG... hes old but I dont think Felton can ever reach his level so Knicks got an upgrade there...

basically Carmelo for 3 young starters that may or may not be good...

Chandler = have been a good prospect for ages but I dont think he will ever be a super star like melo,

Gallinari = no grudge bear against the guy but his defense is terrible, cant play inside despite his size, not fast enough to play as a SF... basically a inferior, smaller, weaker version of Bargani...

Randolp = could be good, but have he actually play really well? limited minutes despite all the hype... he could be like another grant hill... theres a reason Antonie bench him... we dont know why yet...

and no knicks didnt gut their roster since they give up some 2nd round picks and a pick that nuggets might not even get to use if you believe the 2012 prophecy ;)

Billups for Felton and melo for chandler....

still have fields at SG, Amare at C or PF... no changes to their weakness except maybe they could have gotten a legitimate Center

Nuggets needed draft picks... if the nets deal have fallen through... I will take favours + 4 1st round pick even without harris.... great base to build from...

Wow. I think i'll just say that i disagree with most of what you just said except the bit about the Nets deal. I probably would have chosen the Nets deal over the Knicks one if i had the choice too.