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189480.18 in reply to 189480.10
Date: 7/12/2011 9:24:32 PM
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I agree those numbers earlier in the thread are really high. Sure, it would be great, but not essential.

I'm probably in an easy DIVIV, but I just ran through it in first place and have the league's #1 defense.

PG: 11OD/5ID
SG: 7/3
SF: 9/7
PF: 5/11
C: 3/11



I don't mean to be rude, but you are going to be absolutely crushed in D3 with those defensive ratings. And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.

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189480.19 in reply to 189480.17
Date: 7/12/2011 9:31:03 PM
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Yeah passing and rebounding are apart of offense?

What do you think, I'm talking about power training JS and running Motion every game?


My criticism is against guys who train Pressure every week and have no offense whatsoever.

Of course it is important to build a balanced team. But I definitely am going to make sure my PG has 14 or so passing, my guard can shoot the ball when facing a zone, and my SF/PF/C are all around beasts at rebounding, IS, driving and passing before I worry about getting the entire backcourts OD to 16 or so while they all have 7 JS and 5 JR and can't pass worth a lick.

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189480.20 in reply to 189480.19
Date: 7/12/2011 9:35:03 PM
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ya that would be crazy, i like to build my guys pretty evenly. I dont power train any one thing. keep it all fairly even with my defense being slightly higher.

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189480.21 in reply to 189480.18
Date: 7/12/2011 9:54:33 PM
Prairie Dogs
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It's not rude. I'm surprised I'm doing well in D4 (especially on defense) and don't expect that it will hold up in D3. But as to the question the poster asked, what defense is necessary for D4, those guys seem to work.

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189480.22 in reply to 189480.19
Date: 7/12/2011 9:58:06 PM
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I agree with you on this point that a guy who trains only defense will get crushed. A good defense compliments a good offense and vice versa.

My point when it comes to defense is this:

If you have young trainees, build their defense up first because if you don't it will only take longer when they get older. Training the offense has shown to be quicker, based only on my personal observations, as compared to trying to train defense.

Let the defense be the solid foundation you build your offense upon. Don't get frustrated, Bigcat. I know you're passionate about offense from my time in III.4 with you.

As far as my stance on defense, when a team has a good defense, it can exponentially increase the effectiveness of the offense. An offense that can slow their pace down and concentrate on running their offense efficiently because their defense makes the easy stops they are supposed to make, increases the odds of picking up a win. However, a defense that fails to make the easy stops increases the amount of work they need to do on the offensive end.

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189480.23 in reply to 189480.22
Date: 7/12/2011 10:09:11 PM
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Wow thanks everyone for the quick response!

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189480.24 in reply to 189480.22
Date: 7/12/2011 10:11:16 PM
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Inside D trains at the same speed as Inside Shot.

As far as OD goes. It trains far from slow. I don't get why people always try to say that. I trained a dude from average to tremendous in two seasons. The same about it would take to train from in JS.

Plus the rule of the elastic effect is definitely challenges the old dogma and many are theorizing that you should train offense first...which I am doing right now on my forward prospects....especially considering there is a LOT more skills to train other than the defensive ones on a forward.

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189480.25 in reply to 189480.24
Date: 7/12/2011 11:48:18 PM
LionPride
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I'd like to add that any question on defense can be answered by looking at a Heathens box score.
(26214154)
Heathens really didn't have any single offensive threats on their team but they didn't need it since there guards had 18+ OD, with bigs and guards both having very high rebounding. By all means the ratings suggest they should have lost that game since LMA's IS rating easily trumps Heathens ID. However their high OD ratings not only stopped outside shots, it also stopped LMA's guards from being able to pass the ball into the lane. The rebounding made it so that Heathens didn't have to have elite level scoring since they will grab so many more rebounds that they are bound to score of the vast number of chances. Heathens never shot a very high percentage in any of their season.

So if there is anything to learn from Heathens it is that defense and rebounding are king in this game.

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189480.26 in reply to 189480.25
Date: 7/13/2011 12:10:29 AM
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They had had an incredible matchup advantage at the PG spot, of course they won the game.

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189480.27 in reply to 189480.26
Date: 7/13/2011 12:47:02 PM
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I have starters below 10 OD, and I haven't found horrible OD ratings...that said, either get some 9-10 OD guards or 3-2 zone.

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189480.28 in reply to 189480.18
Date: 7/13/2011 12:53:17 PM
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And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.


Why does it matter? You can flip-flop PG/SG for defense if need be......


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 7/13/2011 12:54:54 PM

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