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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 2/10/2012 3:08:29 AM
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so everybody should get them?

Even when it isn't random, is it hard to impact it, since you need a close record and many games against those teams.

So maybe you one time get a tanker or a bot, since your regular rival quit playing(at least seriously).

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 2/10/2012 3:42:22 AM
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and what if wqe people who are tanking them(personally if i tank i would secure that i stay in the league and then waste the end of the season and the start of the next one if i don't come into relegation).

or team forfeiting away games, which is even quite common?

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Date: 2/10/2012 4:00:01 AM
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i find it fairer then the tv games, who have some pretty bad schedules in it.

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Date: 2/10/2012 8:25:34 AM
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Please make the easy switch to having two teams be each others rival instead of having it be a random mixup. When one team has two or three teams gunning for them as a 'rival' and another doesn't have to worry about any added heat from any team it creates an unfair advantage that has nothing to do with the game. Rivalries aren't real unless both teams have added pressure to compete against one another...
Just sayin...
There are few more things related to this topic I think needs to be considered;

1) Should the amount of rivalries be purely random?
I'm not sure. Ususally, the richer teams and those that had enough reputation at a league will get more rivals along the seasons.
I think this should also be the case here.

2) Should the rivalries identity be purely random?
Again - I think it should not.
In this case, I believe that teams that "knows" each other more, are more likely to be rivals.

3) Should rivalry be a bi-directional thing?
Of course it should.
I don't know a team who their fans finds another team as their rival, but not the other way around.

4) It was said that currently there can be 0, 1 or 2 rivalries altogether.
But it is not exactly representing the whole story.
Currently each team can have 0, 2 or 4 games where the other team will try harder (and maybe will have higher audience influence).
Why not defining the rivalry to be from the second conference?
By that, it will at least have less affect.

REMARK - I have only one rivalry this season.

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209583.26 in reply to 209583.25
Date: 2/10/2012 8:29:49 AM
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i think if you put 1 in 3 you find plenty examples for three.

The other think 1 would punish a lot of team, since you most likely get a powerhorse at a league as your rival.

I think the way they look for rivalrys, with considering about close matchup is quite fine. Making all bidrictional would be fine too.

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Date: 2/10/2012 8:35:46 AM
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i think if you put 1 in 3 you find plenty examples for three.

The other think 1 would punish a lot of team, since you most likely get a powerhorse at a league as your rival.
Please elaborate - I did not understood what you are trying to say.

I think the way they look for rivalrys, with considering about close matchup is quite fine. Making all bidrictional would be fine too.
Are you saying that (here on BB) the rivalry is not random and is defined upon finding close matchups?
If not, again - please elaborate...

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Date: 2/10/2012 8:55:21 AM
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i think if you put 1 in 3 you find plenty examples for three.

The other think 1 would punish a lot of team, since you most likely get a powerhorse at a league as your rival.
Please elaborate - I did not understood what you are trying to say.


you are saying, that biigger teams mostly have more rivalrys then smaller one. In my experience they have the same amount of rivalrys, then other teams(even when they are more important for the public and that why more known by the people).

I use german soccer example(since german basketball teams ain't well known i believe), Bayern München is the biggest club and the poeple love or hate him here. So people are more excited when they beat München and more happy(i believe that it was you mean with rich club have more rivalrys), but München cares about those looses like about every other one. Also the fans aren't totally sad, if they loose against Bayern since this is what they expect. So if you make all those game bidirected rival matches, it is untrue for Bayern München in every case and untrue for the other teams in term of a loss.

rivalry are more like games betwen Dortmund and Schalke, where a season is fine when you beat up the other team ;)

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