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I didn't imply a micro-nation was devaluing your knowledge of the market. I implied that being in a micro-nation devalued your valuation on promoting from D.V to being 2nd in line for D.III as things stand right now (i have ranked #6 and #8 teams, neither that have a real team, while the other two near me have to face the 20-0 monster that has also lost 1mil to promote twice).

I didn't imply that it should be easy for a new player to play the market. What i have been implying from the start is it is not hard to understand the fluctuation in value in the market. Period. And that's the truth. It took me one season, my first season, to realize that i could've gotten two players at smaller price points than i did. I still won with some of those same players when i promoted. I put that promotion value as greater than zero. If i promote twice at the cost of 250k a season in transfer loses, i'm not that displeased with how things have worked out for me.

You need to do a better job of reading into what i said, and where i disagreed with you, and worry less about mistakes that i made a while ago.

Lets go to those 18 year olds that are 19 in two weeks. If i sell that at age 19, incur a profit of probably 75k on both players. Thats a low end guess from me, i think runyon probably sells at 160-180k once i train him over the remaining 3 weeks I plan to have, and i think Yuce sells for 325-350k. Thats not a sizable margin for me, so i'm not going to do it. I'm probably going to keep training Yuce long term until he's 24 or 25, use him as a D.III guard (his secondaries make him look like an inside player, you as a TL ace probably realize that i picked up a guy with secondaries in hopes of getting his primaries trained without having to touch his secondaries more than once or twice the rest of the way). I might sell him when he's 28 or 29 for 1M+ instead. I wont make a profit on the TL, so it wont look pretty to you, but that in no way means that i wasted that price point, it means i decided to keep something i developed. Same with Metcalf. Runyon is the one along for the ride, i might sell him sooner or later depending on the drafted players. I spend roughly 10k a week on draft scouting right now.

Headless T Gunner went ahead and told you what i feel about measuring a managers performance based on the transfer market gains and losses.

I'm clearly not worth my weight in terms of being a full blown mentor to anybody. Never want to claim something that i haven't done yet. Thats why i said that i provide 'basic' mentoring. I send anyone who wants basic advice some general information, and some general traps newer gm's including myself at one point fell into. I want to make sure that they dont waste a season. And at the end of the day, how someone else chooses to run their team is their own choice, i don't want to mentor them into a direct way of thinking. I just want to do something that wasn't done for me, which was getting them over the basic hurdles, and then allow them to play how they see fit. And thats where i feel you are unfairly flaming me by telling me i have no right to be giving advice to anyone based on one component of how i've played the first 4 seasons.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/5/2012 10:36:25 PM

Mmmmmmmmm, pudding.

Seriously tho, if I were to give advice, you would just come back with something about my transfer balance. (Which, minus my three latest additions to beef up my beefy team, was just fine considering I haven't sold a player I've trained yet)

But, I do know a thing or two about the TL.

(edit: advice not advise, silly me)

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 11/5/2012 10:48:01 PM

@Wolph: Every time you are about to enter a post, you should stop and make yourself edit out the less important half of what you wrote. The total words of yours that people read would probably increase.

@Furious: The difference between your incoming and outgoing cost doesn't mean anything. But the fact that you have only sold 500k worth of players in the ~16 months you've been playing means you are a noob when it comes to the market.

The more expensive 18 year old you bought is impossible to tell anything about, but it's very unlikely the cheaper one is the deal you are making him out to be. He was bought for 4k on draft day and has only gotten minutes in 3 weeks, which means if he was a good deal now he woulda had to have been an epic deal on draft day. I guarantee you there will be a ton better deals on 19 yo (what you call 18yo) right after the draft then there are right now.

Last edited by w_alloy at 11/5/2012 10:54:36 PM

Doubt it was a steal. Doubt he's as bad as you think he is. Just a hole made in the market because he's missed too many pops to make it as a D.I thru D.III starter, and he gets eliminate by any new gm who makes the terrible terrible decision to search based on best position.

I doubt that i can spin him for huge profits by the beginning of age 19. Probably need to wait till the market on 18 year olds settle down. I seriously doubt i could've gotten him for 90k at the begining of this season before he missed his pops. probably even in a flooded market was going to be a massive pain to get for less than 250k.

. I seriously doubt i could've gotten him for 90k at the begining of this season before he missed his pops. probably even in a flooded market was going to be a massive pain to get for less than 250k.

He was sold for 4k...

Edit to add:

Just a hole made in the market because he's missed too many pops to make it as a D.I thru D.III starter, and he gets eliminate by any new gm who makes the terrible terrible decision to search based on best position.

This "hole" is there all the time though. There are certain players who are just below this hypothetical cutoff at every time of the year, and there are far far more of them on draft day. You are the first person I've ever heard try to argue that right after draft day isn't the best time to buy 18/19 yo.

Last edited by w_alloy at 11/5/2012 11:36:52 PM

yea, i combined two different thought processes.

he started at what i'd guess is a 3/4 or 4/4. if he was a standard PG or SG, i doubt i could've gotten him for under 250k, much less 90k. and then i was thinking more about my player, and managed to walk into a stupid statement.

I'm sad i didn't get the 4k valuation though

edit2: nevermind, not going to bother responding to the troll attempt.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/5/2012 11:51:13 PM

edit2: nevermind, not going to bother responding to the troll attempt.

It boggles my mind how you could take my post as a troll attempt. What part of it was trolling?

Thing is the guy with the 73 million sales started back in '10 with a completly different market