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I sure hope your trolling here

Got a serious laugh here.

On a positive note, Perpete was super helpful.

Don't think basketball logic, think BB logic

That line was tidbit of gold. Bookmark that post, it'll come in handy repeatedly based on the posts I've seen.

I've also developed a curiosity for the isolation offenses.

I have a few recent examples

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Some Romania U21 NT games:
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another game here in Romania's d2:
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A game where i used outside iso earlier in the season:
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Outside iso vs a bot in the cup
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It does seem that the Guards will generally shoot more that the bigs on inside iso and the bigs shoot more than the guards on outside iso.

This was basically my judgement, so I tried it in the scrim. Desirably, I would've wanted my bigs to shoot even more.... or the guard as well. It is slightly biased, but not as much as I think may be desired for the isolation ? I have little experience with inside iso though, I may have used it once last season, but that's it.

there's the smartly used french patient as they call it to get a guard/SF to score and shoot a huge volume. However, this doesn't work for bigmen.

the isolations are nothing like patient though.

Looking at these games, I'd think it's mostly down to the skillsets of the players. Roata is my former trainee, I know his skillset. I'd rather not discuss it here, for the romania u21's sake lol, so we can in pm if you have any question.

I myself am still a bit baffled and find the isolations unreliable though.

Last edited by BarcaSwag at 5/29/2015 9:57:53 PM

Not un reliable. I would play them more often, if gs/stamina was the old way.. if you have those in high number very hard to beat. try it and see

Lot's of players dont really have 8+ or 9+ stamina though.

I have a few decent stamina players on my team but generally I find the offense to be.. dysfunctional, for lack of a better word.

I'll keep that in mind though.

stamina is a gift and curse on bb. the trick is to use it your tactful advantage . none can predict minutes played. thats funny but true.

It does seem that the Guards will generally shoot more that the bigs on inside iso and the bigs shoot more than the guards on outside iso.

Not saying you are wrong, because ive already had this discussion with lots of other folk on here.

But when ive played OI, my SG was taking most of the shots. not always, and usually in conjunction with another player. sometimes SF, sometimes PF.
In a recent game, SG and PF took majority of shots. (like, 25 and 21 shots).
The SG took a full on variety of shots. Jumpers, 3's, driving etc.
The PF took majority mid range, driving/dunks/inside .... but NO 3's.

they both had about 50% of their shots being assisted shots. the other shots obviously taken of their own accord.

The conclusion i came to, was that with OI, the game engine isolates the best 'outside' player..just like the game manual says.... however what he does with the ball after that is going to depend on his skills and the opposition. The 'best outside player' is also going to depend on ur opposition.
eg: Your SG has the best JS and JR, but he is up against a team with awesome outside defence. However your PF ahs quite good JS and DR, and his opponent, is crapola. Therefore i would imagine the PF takes majority of shots.

I noticed a this as well but it's a bit more rare... or perhaps it's just the teams/players i've been looking at.

I've also seen someone say that outside iso is basically where your best guard is the primary ball handler, and he'll drive to the hoop and look to score or pass to someone under the basket. And somewhat of a vice versa for inside iso.

Slightly unrelated
I'd really love to see an offense that can be as one sided for a bigman as a well done (but risky) patient is for a good outside shooter (whether it be PG-SF or a SF type PF)

I've also seen someone say that outside iso is basically where your best guard is the primary ball handler, and he'll drive to the hoop and look to score or pass to someone under the basket. And somewhat of a vice versa for inside iso.

maybe - the games ive played this has not been the case. the main guard who scores (or attempts to score) doesn't seem to get a lot of assists. thats what i have observed.

but i think thats the beauty of the offense, is that people are achieving different results, which is exciting.

I'd really love to see an offense that can be as one sided for a bigman as a well done (but risky) patient is for a good outside shooter (whether it be PG-SF or a SF type PF)

I believe its called Look Inside.

I'd really love to see an offense that can be as one sided for a bigman as a well done (but risky) patient is for a good outside shooter (whether it be PG-SF or a SF type PF)

I believe its called Look Inside.

Definitely not. There is no inside offense, that will let your big score 50-80 Points on a regular Basis. In a weaker league its pretty easy to have a dominant guard average 40-50 ppg.

i was being sarcastic :)