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56760.18 in reply to 56760.17
Date: 11/8/2008 4:17:59 PM
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With 1:30 left in the second quarter of my friendly tonight, there was a flurry of substitutions as my various possible SF players tried to work out who should be on court, and who off. I'm guessing this is a result of the new algorithms to improve the substitutions. But it looked very, very strange.

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Ermin Bogataj was replaced by Jonathan Chahal at SF
Ermin Bogataj comes in to replace Eric Dickinson at PG
Jonathan Chahal was replaced by Eric Dickinson at SF
Eric Dickinson was replaced by Jonathan Chahal at SF
Eric Dickinson comes in to replace Rudolph Al-Shurman at SG
Jonathan Chahal was replaced by Rudolph Al-Shurman at SF
Rudolph Al-Shurman was replaced by Bruno Cocq at SF
Adam Casstles brought in for Guillem Machimbarrena at PF
Cosme Niz came off the bench to replace Wil Cowan at Centre

So before the substitutions, my five were:
Dickinson
Al-Shurman
Bogataj
Machimbarrena
Cowan

After it, I had:
Bogataj
Dickinson
Cocq
Casstles
Niz

This could have been done with five substitutions:
Niz for Cowan
Casstles for Machimbarrena
Cocq for Bogataj
Bogataj for Dickinson
Dickinson for Al-Shurman

Instead Jonathan Chahal got involved, and nine substitutions took place at the same point in the game! I think the mechanism for substitutions needs some tweaking...

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56760.19 in reply to 56760.18
Date: 11/8/2008 4:42:55 PM
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well this is because of the lack of "player A swaps with player B" if we had that in the match viewer we would have done

Ermin Bogataj switches positions with Eric Dickinson
Eric Dickinson switches positions with Rudolph Al-Shurman at SG
Rudolph Al-Shurman was replaced by Bruno Cocq at SF
Adam Casstles brought in for Guillem Machimbarrena at PF
Cosme Niz came off the bench to replace Wil Cowan at Centre

and I dont think there is any quicker way to announce the changes at least using only pairwise swaps....

our algorithm is to do all the swaps you need first, then do the straight subs.



Last edited by BB-Forrest at 11/8/2008 4:45:33 PM

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56760.20 in reply to 56760.19
Date: 11/9/2008 7:48:30 AM
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Is it going to be a way to choose to not to exchange positions so my SF, 29 years old does not take away training minutes from my 18 years old PG?

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56760.21 in reply to 56760.20
Date: 11/9/2008 8:44:39 AM
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? dont put your SF in the depth chart at PG and he wont get swapped in... swapping is no different than subbing in terms of who gets minutes.

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56760.22 in reply to 56760.19
Date: 11/9/2008 9:54:18 AM
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and I dont think there is any quicker way to announce the changes at least using only pairwise swaps....

"Substitions took place. New lineup of tema A is ..."

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56760.23 in reply to 56760.22
Date: 11/9/2008 11:45:13 AM
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mmm.. thats true but actually that would result in more output on average as most substituions are a change at only one or two positions.. this 5 new position thing is the exception not the rule.

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56760.25 in reply to 56760.23
Date: 11/9/2008 1:20:57 PM
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Well it can be only "Substitions took place" or "Substitutions took place in Team A"
After all it is only a presentation thing. I think that change of more players is as common as two players swap but it is irrelevant.

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56760.26 in reply to 56760.19
Date: 11/10/2008 4:30:28 AM
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You noticed these two lines, right?

Jonathan Chahal was replaced by Eric Dickinson at SF
Eric Dickinson was replaced by Jonathan Chahal at SF

That just doesn't make sense...


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56760.27 in reply to 56760.26
Date: 11/10/2008 8:26:41 AM
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well it does because eric dickinson is just a dummy player im using to accomplish the two swaps. he never stays in.

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56760.28 in reply to 56760.27
Date: 11/10/2008 1:29:17 PM
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No, it doesn't because the two substitutions just swap Eric in for Jonathan and then back the other way, at the same position. So the net effect is that nothing has changed.

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