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I made a test today with both teams. I only set 2 positions and let empty the other ones.

The results in game have been strange.

Test 1:

Line-up set: http://i.imgur.com/PzzvJXM.png

Result: (78509645)

Comment: Diankha (SF starter) played 39 minutes as SF. Logical. Kukcikaitis (PG starter) played 36 minutes as SG. Wrong position. The 2 subs didn't play in the position set (maybe a few minutes, I didn't watch the full game) but they played as subs (they are actually ugly)

Test 2:

Line-up set: http://i.imgur.com/iUHoXfN.png

Result: (78529440)

Comment: Said (C starter) played 40 minutes as C. Logical. Cazacu (PF starter) played 39 minutes as SF. Wrong position. Todorovski (PF sub) played 35 minutes as PF starter. Wrong. Todorovski has an enough level to be starter imo. Touris (C sub) played 8 minutes as C sub. Logical. Touris is not a very good player.

Hope it can help.

As I remember Marin said before that BL prevention code kicks in when there are less than 3 positions set. So I believe that your results are actually right - BL prevention code cleaned your line-up (because only 2 positions where set) and treat it like it was totally blank. That is why Kukcikaitis (PG starter) played 36 minutes as SG - because he was picked to be SG by the BL prevention code. Same thing with Todorovski. Everything looks good now.

Are there results how it works when only 3 positions are set and 2 are left blank?

Well, I actually saw that Marin planned the cleaning for less than 2 positions set.

This feature will only be used when none or just one starter is set.

That's why I made this test, maybe Marin changed the rule and I didn't see it.

I'll test with 3 positions set next friday (or 2 again, actually I can do whatever Marin wants)

Last edited by philoumiha at 11/23/2014 5:24:45 AM

LCD, blank lineup, (78440072)

POS Starting-Five
PG R. Geugelin (39 mins)
SG A. Stoebner (36 mins)
SF G. Quellmelz (39 mins)
PF T. Harjans (38 mins)
C T. Nürnberg (39 mins)

Reserves played between 9 and 12 minutes, two players didn't play at all (which was alright, they're really old and useless). The game wasn't a blowout so the minutes seem to be high for the starters. But that's mostly due to the fact that the backups are in all cases worse (some much worse) players than the starters. I'll try and set two better players as backups next week to see what happens then.

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LCD, blank lineup, (78509589)

POS Starting-Five
PG G. Sutherland (39 mins)
SG J. Zozaya (37 mins)
SF B. Penkov (35 mins)
PF S. MacKechnie (36 mins)
C P. Buchwald (37 mins)

Reserves played between 9 and 13 mins, two players didn't step on the floor. I have to say that they weren't too bad to be playing. It just seems that the coach preferred other players. Moffet is the worst of my Centers but Doughty's skills are nearly the same as Bollert's.
The choices for the starters are ok. I would have expected that Walsh played a little more minutes as backup-C because his skills aren't that much worse than Buchwald's.
But again the coach did a good job.

If you need some other testing please let me know.

(259887.131)

That is the post I was refering to.


"So far, we hadn't made much progress due to the fact that the testing parameters were too great. This is something I intend to fix. Let's start with the basics...

1. A change in the code: if there's less than 4 starters set, the *feature* will kick in. This means that you need to set at least 3 starters in order to avoid the new code wiping out all of the starting lineup and setting a completely new one on it's own."

Ok, thank you very much, I didn't get this one, lost in an amount of posts.

Anyway that means that in my test the GE did the job, as you noticied it.

I'll try with 3 starters on next friday.

Maybe it could be good to have the parameters of the "feature" in the first post of this thread.

Is it intended that 2 players in a 12 man blank lineup seem not to play at all? I think this might lead to angry NT player owners.

Line-up: (http://i.imgur.com/f0oX11l.png)

Result: (78509651)

Comment: Players that have been set in a position have played in the right position. As their subs were not good and as the game were a little hard, they played a lot but that sounds logical. Maybe I expected Renaudet to play more as he starts to look good but that's a detail.

On my view, the test is positive with only 3 positions set.

I'll test a full empty line-up next week.

LCD, blank lineup, (78509593), sit them by foul trouble

POS Starting-Five
PG G. Sutherland (31 mins) - J. Zozaya (15 mins) - J. Doughty (2 mins)
SG B. Penkov (31 mins) - V. Skoropad (17 mins)
SF S. MacKechnie (28 mins) - I. Nikifarau (20 mins)
PF G. Marasco (28 mins) - S. Moffet (20 mins)
C P. Buchwald (28 mins) - G. Walsh (20 mins)

R. Bollert (dnp)

The game was a blowout win. The backups played a lot of minutes. I would have switched the backups for SG and SF. The starters were chosen good. I might have chosen Walsh as starter at PF instead of Marasco. But they are not very different, so everything was ok.

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LCD, blank lineup, (78440078), let them play

POS Starting-Five
PG A. Stoebner (38 mins) - R. Krispl (10 mins)
SG R. Geugelin (37 mins) - H. Brockmann (11 mins)
SF G. Quellmelz (37 mins) - F. Wildenhain (11 mins)
PF T. Harjans (36 mins) - J. Sedelmayer (12 mins)
C T. Nürnberg (36 mins) - J. Poellnitz (12 mins)

The game was very tight. I lost due to a shooting foul at 0:00 on a three. My opponent hit 2 of 3 FTs and I lost by one.
Although the game was so tight the backups played a lot of minutes. Especially the 2 players at SF and PF. Wildenhain (PF) has no skill above 8, Sedelmayer (SG) has JS 9, JR 8.
The backups for PG, SG and C make sense. I guess they have been chosen by their BB-position. But I would have switched Wildenhain and Sedelmayer.

Here are their skills:

Frank Wildenhain
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: average Handling: awful
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: average Free Throw: strong

Experience: pitiful
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Joakim Sedelmayer
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: atrocious Passing: awful
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: awful

Experience: atrocious

Hope this helps. If you have any further questions just let me know.

@everyone: Thanks for the feedback, it's exactly what I need. Keep it up, please and we'll have enough data to implement next season. Btw, to clarify, a lineup with 2 starters set will be cleared and replaced by the code, while one that has 3 set starters won't.

Subs in Strickly follow... still gonna be sucks as always? In tough games backup play really small number of minutes, especially when they are backup for players with high ST..
something will change in this area ?

@banan-mat: this is not a thread for that, but the short answer is no, we're not touching that. That's all I'm prepared to comment on that here (so please don't try and expand the discussion about it here).