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If you classify people that want to change things as "complainers" then you should ask that "stuipid" South African "complainer" Nelson Mandela for instance if he believes that he acieved something by complaining or not.

Nelson Mandela was a do-er not a complainer, he was willing to risk life and limbs for what he believed in, so please do not compare yourself with someone like that over something as little as this...

I don't like daytrading, think its unrealistic and will never do it.

That said, this game varies from others because I should be able to acquire good talent for 'free' (after scouting costs) in the draft no matter what the day traders do. Unlike HT where my youth promotions had to be in the position I was training to be of lasting value to me, in BB I can easily train any position for long enough that I should be able to profit. Once I've made that sale, I should enter the market for better quality players and I doubt that market will be dominated by daytrading once the game settles in.

I"m also willing to wait and assess the effects of stamina loss and sales tax changes, of which I'm hopeful will make daytrading far less profitable.

And if all else fails, no one is forcing you to buy the offerings of daytraders. I check out the players I'm bidding on and if I see evidence of daytrading, I don't bid over team's acquistion price.

In other words, if you don't like daytrading, don't bid. Boycott daytraders.

It looks like your are complaining about complainers... does this make you a complainer too? :)
Just kidding :)

Everybody is just giving his own opinions and very politely, I find. I like this kind of threads and I think BBs and GMs are happy to see many players caring so much about BB.

If this game is going to evolve into a game of buying and selling players like commodities, then I hope it fails.

It's pretty rude to hope that a group of people fail at what they've chosen to do for work.

I don't think you'd want people to wish failure on you in your occupation.

Juice I answer for Som, for sure he will let you know his opinion later

Some posts sounds "aggressive" but think that day traders or anti day traders, who is writing here wants that BB will have a gloriousus future And sincerely this game is very well done even if really young, for this reason we don't want to lose interest to play here for a matter that could be easily solved (and partially it's already solved). In every posts where is written "I'll leave this game" there is always written an "IF" ;)

Edited by ned (19/12/2007 15.17.18 CET)

Last edited by ned at 12/19/2007 3:17:18 PM

Juice I answer for Som, for sure he will let you know his opinion later

Some posts sounds "aggressive" but think that day traders or anti day traders, who is writing here wants that BB will have a gloriousus future And sincerely this game is very well done even if really young, for this reason we don't want to lose interest to play here for a matter that could be easily solved (and partially it's already solved). In every posts where is written "I'll leave this game" there is always written an "IF" ;)

I can understand that...sometimes I forget that English isn't the 1st language for a lot of our users, and something that wasn't meant to be so aggressive can come across that way.

I am not comparing me nor any one else to him, and if you tried to read and understand what I wrote instead of getting defensive you would see that.

You might not agree with what I believe as the best diercetion for BB to go, but that doesn't mean that you deliberatly (I really hope that it is because otherwise you scare me a lot) must missunderstand what I am wirting.

Think about this scenario: What if you where against some part of the BB design and thought it spoiled the over all game experience. Which measures would you take to try to change this:

A) Try to discuss this topic on the conference and tell people why you feel that it ruins the game experience, and hoping that the debate will influence the BBs

B ) quit the game, beacuse taht's what "doers" do acccording to you

C) Just do nothing, beacuse "doers" don't complain

D) Sometinhg else, but I don't know what...

I would pretty much guess that you would go for A), because I do not really believe that you think that and C) are the action of doers (even though it seams to be what you are saying), or D (in this case it would be interesting to see you getting constructive and say what type of action you would take).

D) I would do something else.

I would first try to think of a solution which would seem most fair in my opinion. After that I would post them in the suggestions forum as that is the place to write down your suggestions to alter the game.

I just don't believe in sensless complaining and I prefer to come up solutions instead.

I will make an apology to you and other oppositioners as I've been pretty fierce in words towards everyone. So I'm sorry for the way I sometimes write down my thoughts (The content I stand behind, but the package could be more subtle).

The reason I did get annoyed about the Mandela comment as looked like an insult to my person not understanding someone like Mandela and the great things he accomplished...

I think I'll leave it at this.

Happy Holidays everyone,

Kind regards,

Floppzzy

You are absolutely correct, and I would like to apologize for using such a poor choice of words. I'm sorry. Further I sincerely wish the makers of this game the best of luck getting this off the ground. So far, they are doing an amazing job.

I guess the reason I was so rude is that I am so tired of profit-driven entities in the real world and have been looking for something where that element is not involved. Then I found this- an internet based sim game (I have played sim games without the compuers since card games like Fast Break) about basketball, a game I have played and been around for over 30 years.I really liked the concept of having a hoop team out in the fields of Thailand where we win and add more seats to our stadium and get better. Then drafting young players. Then the transfer list came up.

The transfer list is something that isn't present in American basketball. It might be in European leagues, I don't know. Players are traded for other players, not bought. But for a lot of people, playing the market and being a wily GM is what is fun. For me it is not, although if I had a young stud and got rid of him for a ton of dough I would be happy I suppose. Doing it as your primary acitvity on BuzzerBeater seems out of step with the ethic of the game. Or at least how I see the game.


Obviously my opinion of such matters is miniscule compared to the amount of time and effort the creators of this game have spent making this forum, this game, this apology even possible. So, please accept my apology and I really do wish you the best of luck.

Nobody has a problem with people making profit from trades. What we have a problem with is players who trade absurd numbers of players for profit because we simply do not have the time to do so ourselves.

This removes almost all strategy but trading from the game and makes the game boring, because quite frankly, there are better economic simulators out there if this is what you want. What we want is a basketball game with an economic factor.

Profiting from trades is realistic. Profiting from dozens of trades in one season is not.

There are two reasonable solutions, and both are quite simple. Either a cap on the number of trades allowed (either per week or per season) or a cap on the size of your roster. Either would eliminate excessive trading but would still allow for plenty of opportunity for people to profit on trades, just not to point of it becoming the only way to succeed at the game. With either or both of these restrictions in place I don't even see the need for taxes on trades.

You are absolutely correct, and I would like to apologize for using such a poor choice of words. I'm sorry. Further I sincerely wish the makers of this game the best of luck getting this off the ground. So far, they are doing an amazing job.

I guess the reason I was so rude is that I am so tired of profit-driven entities in the real world and have been looking for something where that element is not involved. Then I found this- an internet based sim game (I have played sim games without the compuers since card games like Fast Break) about basketball, a game I have played and been around for over 30 years.I really liked the concept of having a hoop team out in the fields of Thailand where we win and add more seats to our stadium and get better. Then drafting young players. Then the transfer list came up.

The transfer list is something that isn't present in American basketball. It might be in European leagues, I don't know. Players are traded for other players, not bought. But for a lot of people, playing the market and being a wily GM is what is fun. For me it is not, although if I had a young stud and got rid of him for a ton of dough I would be happy I suppose. Doing it as your primary acitvity on BuzzerBeater seems out of step with the ethic of the game. Or at least how I see the game.


Obviously my opinion of such matters is miniscule compared to the amount of time and effort the creators of this game have spent making this forum, this game, this apology even possible. So, please accept my apology and I really do wish you the best of luck.

I can understand your frustration, and I do believe you meant well.