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109310.183 in reply to 109310.181
Date: 9/11/2009 3:13:00 AM
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* Than when I decided to join in, still being over critical off myself, I asked some people I know very well in this game, and some off them are proven great coaches, what their opinion is off me and whether I would be good enough. The responses were overwhelming. Than secondly, I looked at the overal picture and the amount off people that write me, asking for help, when they have only read my posts on the forums when I helped other people and gave them my thoughts (see how I am saying not how they have to do things), must be the right way to do things. Even people that I didnt ask to do this, posted supprting messages on the debate forum saying how great a help I have been. Former and current English coaches and even US gm's openly and in emails gave me their thumbs up. They even said I could use their names, why would they do this if they dont think i could do the job?

* i have also said that I work as a bookmaker and one off my main sports is the NBA, again I will never say I am a pro, but I am doing this for a living. So I am certain you can see I am not a noob when it comes to basketball.

* and lastly I think I am also most open for criticism from all the available candidates. Some arent open to any criticism at all, how can you really believe such candidates would be good coaches?

Again, I am not trying to change your mind, neither do I expect you to do so. Again I am not saying you are wrong. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but i dont think you had all the info available to you and that is why I am trying to explain, my reasoning behind my application. What you do with this information is up to you and any further questions or positive criticism is very welcome...

Have a nice day and good luck to your season 10

Moominpapa

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109310.184 in reply to 109310.181
Date: 9/11/2009 3:27:49 AM
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there is one little thing you left out in your post which I think is a very important thing...

You "criticise" my position as a candidate and as I understand my reasoning behind my candadicy. However, I dont understand how you can give your support to a group off candidates openly stating that they are a 3 man team, off whom 2 lack the real experience to compete at a higher level and where the 3rd person that should bring in the tactical knowledge at higher level really doesnt have the time to do this job??

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Date: 9/11/2009 3:50:59 AM
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I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your explanations - not that I expect to receive such a long response... i was merely injecting an unbias opinion from reading the debate.

Lets all be frank about this. Its not the toughest job in BB. The team is most likely to pick itself, scout til your hearts content (you will just dig up the same guys over and over again!)

Personally, I would prefer to see commitment which Fenomeno has shown in abundance.... your intial half hearted albeit stronger application now made me initially think you just wanted the job because you thought you were a better manager than Fenomeno not because you infact wanted the job. But again this is just my interpretation of the comments you all made.

In my opinion if you have a 3 man team crying out to be given the chance then why not take it and concentrate on really solidifying your club position. I honestly doubt anyone has any problem whatsoever with his english and from what i read his understanding of the game is sound.

Don't worry i dont take your words as an attack - im straight talking and my comments are not meant in anyway derogatory or disrespectful to any of the candidates or commentors.

For a community that isnt vocal this thread stuck out and so i poked my nose in but as i say above, the job isnt rocket science, more time consuming. If the portuguese contingency are prepared to put in the time and effort, who knows what they might achieve?

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109310.186 in reply to 109310.185
Date: 9/11/2009 4:19:59 AM
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true...

although I havent done the 3 months planning as our portugese friends have done, i have the time to do it too and yes, I do believe I am the more experienced coach. I also have the enthusiasm to do it, being over critical off yourself always makes things seem be half hearted perhaps in case you dont know me. But I am a very passionate person when it comes to things I do, I do them because I want too, and if I dont want to do things I dont do them. The same counts for putting myself up as a candidate for the U21 team. We have never really spoken, like bomby said I have never spoken to me. But if you ask the people I do speak to on a regular basis, albeit in real life or in BB, will confirm that there are very few people more enthusiastic than me. I dont mind you having your opinion, but saying Fenomeno being more enthusiastic than me, I find that a little bit strange, since you dont know neither off us...

I agree with you that for running the NT you dont need rocket science, but you need a certain experience when it comes to setting your tactics etc. You need to have a sound understanding off the tactics, and the tactics that the better teams in the higher leagues use are hugely different. Perhaps this isnt the case in Japan, I dont know, however this is certainly the case in England and more so for the BB games, U21 and NT games. I know I still have loads and loads to learn, however I am certain the fact that I have done quite well in the National competiton, that I am doing great in my league (the reason why I havent been promoted yet, I have mentioned in the threads as well) and the fact people continuesly contact me and ask me for help, must mean that people consider me having a better than average knowledge. Also the fact that teams in the top leagues say they have been watching me for a while as a serious contender says enough.

Again, I am not saying I am the most knowledgeable coach coach in BB or among the English teams, however I am certain, my enthusiasm isnt lacking behind our portugese friends, I have the time to take this job onboard, my communication skills and being able to take criticism is alot better than our portugese friends, and my knowledge of tactics and running a team with good players is alot better. Therefore I am convinced i can do a better job than them and since I believe the best available coach should get the job, I put myself up as a candidate, never done this before simply because i felt I lacked the necessary skills and knowledge to do it. And I do believe now I am ready for the job.


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109310.187 in reply to 109310.186
Date: 9/11/2009 6:03:20 AM
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Apologies to all about not continuing the debate on this, me and my son have just come down with Swine Flu (so give me a wide berth ;) )


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Date: 9/11/2009 6:19:20 AM
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The reason why I stood down was the fact that I personally didn't see the point in two English coaches vying for the job, also I felt that Astragoth gave a very good speech (considerably better than mine) and have known of him and Moomins from when I first started with BB - I have the a huge amount of respect for what he has done and his involvement with U21/NT helping previous managers with work behind the scenes (like scouting).

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Date: 9/11/2009 8:12:14 AM
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Again, I am not saying I am the most knowledgeable coach coach in BB or among the English teams, however I am certain, my enthusiasm isnt lacking behind our portugese friends, I have the time to take this job onboard, my communication skills and being able to take criticism is alot better than our portugese friends, and my knowledge of tactics and running a team with good players is alot better. Therefore I am convinced i can do a better job than them and since I believe the best available coach should get the job, I put myself up as a candidate, never done this before simply because i felt I lacked the necessary skills and knowledge to do it. And I do believe now I am ready for the job.


1st- We've been in this thread for the last 3 days, since noon to 2 am, answering your questions, many of them wich should have an aswering. Do you think we don't have enthusiasm? I'll say you the same you said to superfly. You don't know us, so you don't know how enthusiastics we are. This also shows that we have lots of time. As superfly said, our comunication skills are not bad, and there's english people who talk worse than us. We can have some ortographic errors, but I think it doens't make it harder to understand what we are saying.

Just because we have a worse division than you doens´t mean we are worse tactically. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you started the game in the III league. We started in the IV and are now in the III. I know that you don't want to be promoted now, but even with that, you have been in that league for 6 seasons. Don't you think that's enough to build a good team?

You say I can't take criticism? If I could take it, I had stop coming here long ago. I just don't accept that some people come here insulting us without listening to us. And after a while comes here saying that he is not in the right mood, or whatsoever, to keep in this thread. And another thing, you say we aren't able to take criticism, but when we asked you to explain some things about your ideas, you didn't answered, instead, you defended saying that we were too agressives. Now what do you say about that?




PS: Talking to someone during the elections about taking a place in a taff team is considered spam, and you can be punished for that



PS2: And you still haven't answered the question I made you yesterday



Don't think I'm atacjing you. I'm just defending myself because I don't like people talking about what they don't know

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109310.190 in reply to 109310.189
Date: 9/11/2009 8:15:11 AM
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lol
Do you think we don't have enthusiasm?


you very clearly have a serious problem when it comes to understanding english.

can someone that speaks fluently english and have been speaking it all their life please explain
I am certain, my enthusiasm isnt lacking behind our portugese friends,
where in this message I said that vasco92 has no enthusiasm to run the U21 team??? or where I even suggested something close to that?

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Date: 9/11/2009 8:17:06 AM
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you defended saying that we were too agressives. Now what do you say about that?


where have I said that you are tooaggresive??

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Date: 9/11/2009 8:17:57 AM
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This also shows that we have lots of time.


when or where have i said or implied that you dont have time?

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Date: 9/11/2009 8:19:27 AM
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Just because we have a worse division than you doens´t mean we are worse tactically.


i didnt say that either, I said you have less experience with managing games where tactics makes a difference...

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/11/2009 8:19:40 AM

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