This has taken a turn (and turn and turn) for the worse.
I'm going to close it, we certainly have enough sides of the argument to make a decision if we need to and this has degenerated into flaming.
Please play nice!
/Juiced
NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live