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206866.184 in reply to 206866.180
Date: 3/9/2012 11:54:35 PM
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I will admit that the problem is not so bad in India because we have 139 teams so there is some amount of randomization but there are still teams that start in Div. I and not one of them continue. Most of the players never log back in so we have about 20 active teams with most of Div. II being effectively bot. I spent an extra year in Div II because of some bad luck but even when I knew what was going on, I still did not find it boring to play bots because of training and the personal goal of dominating the MVP vote and the All-Star game.

I agree that these are personal opinions but they seem to be the opinions of everyone in the smaller nations. Where is the problem if we start in a lower division?

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206866.185 in reply to 206866.184
Date: 3/10/2012 2:32:39 AM
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I will admit that the problem is not so bad in India because we have 139 teams so there is some amount of randomization but there are still teams that start in Div. I and not one of them continue. Most of the players never log back in so we have about 20 active teams with most of Div. II being effectively bot. I spent an extra year in Div II because of some bad luck but even when I knew what was going on, I still did not find it boring to play bots because of training and the personal goal of dominating the MVP vote and the All-Star game.

I agree that these are personal opinions but they seem to be the opinions of everyone in the smaller nations. Where is the problem if we start in a lower division?

There are much more points that you didn't even responded to...
But...Let's continue with that point...
When you have been playing only BOTs teams, you will not stay there more than that season, and you will get back to the same division that users who currently starts there are just quitting the game. So no gain there.

You're also trying to claim that when playing against all BOT teams, you enjoy just as much.
So why having any real-competitors? There are games that are against just BOT.
We all know what it would feel like playing just BOT.

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206866.186 in reply to 206866.181
Date: 3/10/2012 2:41:42 AM
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And you've been in a huge nation since the day you signed up, yet you are a broken record on this topic, with no practical experience.
You want to tell us you know better how users in a micronation feel although you've never been in one and did not start in one.

Do you see how unreasonable you are being? You have just attacked Knect about his own experiences, trying to point out how correct you are based on what? HIS experiences, experiences you DON'T have. Its just too extreme. I really think you need help. When this kind of thing catches up with you you can end up extremely depressed or worse. Its just not healthy to go on like you do.
It sound I've touched a nerve.
You didn't reply on anything I've wrote and just whined about and tried to attack me instead what I've wrote.
Usually one who writes or says something on another person speak about himself.
In this case, your suggestion could be a great one for you, and you should take advantage of that. Especially if that had been written from experience, as it sounds like.

I guess that the BBs should not do anything on this game, until they will experience everything themselves (upon your POV).
They should not use common sense, and should not use rational (upon your suggestion).


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206866.187 in reply to 206866.182
Date: 3/10/2012 2:45:56 AM
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his huge rant can yet again be summarised in 1 word

wrong

Sheikh Knecht can see it i think it was his idea
GM-Perpete can see it
wolph can see it
manon can see it
jay m can see it
malice can see it
everyone but pini can see it

just start new teams in the lowest league in their nation

from now on i will take pini disagreeing with something as proof that the idea is good!
Wow... you had counted six different users (from a community of 50K)!!!
Amazing!
And surprisingly they are all playing at the first divisions and most of them are one of those old teams that piled up assets along the seasons, and will not want a real solution where the competitiveness will be gained, but just a cup of tea to solve a disease.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 3/10/2012 4:27:34 AM

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206866.188 in reply to 206866.184
Date: 3/10/2012 3:11:16 AM
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As you've brought your case, let's look about facts.

1) You have started at season 14, at the second division.

2) You got to the playoff at that season.

3) That division had not been all BOTs, unless there where much less than current 139 users there are today (upon your count).
DIV-1 plus DIV-2 contains 80 teams.

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206866.189 in reply to 206866.188
Date: 3/10/2012 5:44:21 AM
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It has fluctuated from about 75 teams to 139 now. However, most of the users log in once and that's it. Effectively, they are bots. I admit that there is less interest in playing only bots. What you seem unable to understand is that we only play in an all-bot league for one season or two at the most. As long as people continue to make progress, they are happy. When one starts in a level where there is no hope of competing, one quickly gets discouraged. If one has an immediate goal, then one is much more engaged.

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206866.190 in reply to 206866.177
Date: 3/10/2012 5:54:13 AM
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I dont know where this "new teams start in Div III"-idea comes from, I believe I made the first suggestion that proposed to put new teams in the lowest possible league, in small countries this would mean Div V or maybe IV.


Probably from the fact that D3 is the lowest league in Japan :p


Okay, that makes sense now :D

In Austria starting in Div III would be no great help (most teams start there anyway and get promoted soon). Starting in Div V would be awesome, two full seasons to develop your first trainees and the arena help a lot.

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206866.192 in reply to 206866.187
Date: 3/10/2012 9:14:34 AM
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Wow... you had counted six different users (from a community of 50K)!!!
Amazing!


And you are one.

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206866.193 in reply to 206866.189
Date: 3/10/2012 10:26:04 AM
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It has fluctuated from about 75 teams to 139 now. However, most of the users log in once and that's it. Effectively, they are bots. I admit that there is less interest in playing only bots. What you seem unable to understand is that we only play in an all-bot league for one season or two at the most. As long as people continue to make progress, they are happy. When one starts in a level where there is no hope of competing, one quickly gets discouraged. If one has an immediate goal, then one is much more engaged.
75 users still means that the division you've join into had been almost BOT-free. Didn't you claim something else?

And I'll repeat your line here. again.
When one starts in a level where there is no hope of competing, one quickly gets discouraged.
In case he will starts in a lower division with those other BOT, he will probably get board and leave.
But in case he would not, he will get after that season to this division where he has "no hope of competing", and "quickly get discourage" and leave the game then.

Summary - this is not a cure, but just "a cup of tea" for this "disease".

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206866.194 in reply to 206866.191
Date: 3/10/2012 10:30:59 AM
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I guess that the BBs should not do anything on this game, until they will experience everything themselves (upon your POV).
They should not use common sense, and should not use rational (upon your suggestion).


Following your POW they should remake the entire game and make it into a real life BB game instead. I guess not much would be as it is if you got as you want.
No connection between the two.

I use common sense, and if there was flows with that the message that I wrote to that troll would have gotten an answer breaking my claim or at least shaking it.
It did not.
He chose to attack me and to point that until I will not be at those micro-nation (and so also the BBs), I cannot have a POV. "Great way of thinking"...

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