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130835.185 in reply to 130835.184
Date: 2/18/2010 9:59:43 AM
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"live and let live" moderation style may yield good results in terms of user participation to the community (and, as a consequence, user retention and monetization).


I think BB in general is good with the "live and let live" philosophy. On the other hand, they had a specific vision here. Whether it was right or wrong or if there are other options can be debated. But allowing a handful of countries to get an in-game advantage should never be allowed, even if it is only a perceived advantage. This is true whether the majority of users in the game want it or not.

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Date: 2/18/2010 10:32:27 AM
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"live and let live" moderation style may yield good results in terms of user participation to the community (and, as a consequence, user retention and monetization).


I think BB in general is good with the "live and let live" philosophy. On the other hand, they had a specific vision here. Whether it was right or wrong or if there are other options can be debated. But allowing a handful of countries to get an in-game advantage should never be allowed, even if it is only a perceived advantage. This is true whether the majority of users in the game want it or not.


Dude, You're talking about a place to organize scrimmage. Call it a competitive advantage seems to be a great exaggeration!

I can understand this speech if it were done for the post on the ads that may allow transfers a facilitative tool for transactions.

But both the posts (for the assessments and for scrimmage) are nothing esclatante.

Said that, I think if the choice of BB is that I think is right to take note and take away from those forums BBitalia and avoid all these discussions in order to conform to a single BB inside perimeter.

But it is killing a service for newbe and killing the meaning of the forum. In the future the main forum for Italians will be extra BB and we live all better.

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Date: 2/18/2010 10:49:45 AM
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Dude, You're talking about a place to organize scrimmage. Call it a competitive advantage seems to be a great exaggeration!


I am talking about transfer ads. While it was not the subject of the thread, the original poster seemed to be talking about ads in general, at least that's how I read it. Many others in this thread also talked about transfer ads.

If you just want to talk about scrimmage ads, I do not really care too much about those and would be willing to "live and let live" there. But I personally prefer the new system, especially the part for supporters which allows you to find a team whose flag you do not have.

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Date: 2/18/2010 10:59:14 AM
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Well, I am spanish and maybe I am going to say and exageration but I don´t see why all countries need to have the same rules at 100% relating to threads.
BB-Charles said that has been proved that scrimmages-ads threads don´t give any competiive advantage nor in game results-tactics nor in TL selling prices.
So if Italians have these threads and spaniards don´t we have them is a problem? not for me. Is only a functional advantage.
Its very curious for me to see people for other nationatilitys out of their minds thinking that Italians can have something they don´t. It´s really so important for you? I don´t understand.
If italians are interested in manteinig them and Italian GM are interested in support them I don´t see the problem.
I think that BB-Charles himself said a contradiction when he spoke about this subject because 1º he said that those threads don´t make a difference in the game. But later he said that he can´t let them open in some countries and shut them in others because in would be some kind of discrimination. But hey, you have said that those threads are not important parts of the forums, so where is the discrimination?

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Date: 2/18/2010 11:15:41 AM
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after all, why should a nepalese user care about what goes on in the italian boards?

I don't care at all... but posting this in global forum kinda made it a global problem
algope17:
Its very curious for me to see people for other nationatilitys out of their minds thinking that Italians can have something they don´t. It´s really so important for you? I don´t understand.

Yes it is very important because i don't understand why they COULD have it when everyone else COULDN'T,why are they so special???


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130835.191 in reply to 130835.188
Date: 2/18/2010 11:16:30 AM
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Dude, You're talking about a place to organize scrimmage. Call it a competitive advantage seems to be a great exaggeration!


I am talking about transfer ads. While it was not the subject of the thread, the original poster seemed to be talking about ads in general, at least that's how I read it. Many others in this thread also talked about transfer ads.

If you just want to talk about scrimmage ads, I do not really care too much about those and would be willing to "live and let live" there. But I personally prefer the new system, especially the part for supporters which allows you to find a team whose flag you do not have.


You talk about a feature that is useful only for those who pay. My point of view and make the game easy for the first season to all.

In the same view, I positively evaluate the comparison transfers allowing users to not generate false sense tenders without the "compare transfers".

Personally, since it was turned off in Italy i receive at least 3-4 BBmail each day for doubts that have like sender users of V or IV.

If the way is this, the BB should urgently put his hand on the tool making it less generic and distorting the market. It is too simplistic and often misleading as evaluation. According to me the better way was leaving the post and turn it off when the tool will be more "intelligent" and useful.

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130835.192 in reply to 130835.191
Date: 2/18/2010 11:26:20 AM
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You talk about a feature that is useful only for those who pay.


If you think this feature should be opened up to everyone, I would support such a move if you think it would resolve the issue. On the other hand, I think most supporters want some bang for their buck. If you do not like supporters getting extra features, I think there was another thread on that at some point.


In the same view, I positively evaluate the comparison transfers allowing users to not generate false sense tenders without the "compare transfers".


Now, forgive me if I understood this wrong, but this sounds like a complaint about the transfer price estimate (TPE). I also do not like it, and if you want to start another thread about how the TPE has flaws, I will also agree with you. I do not get what it has to do with the issue at hand, though.

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130835.193 in reply to 130835.192
Date: 2/18/2010 11:53:08 AM
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my point of view in general is linked to the possibility of removing the post only if there are services that are truly effective and simple to use.

At the moment, it was said that the posts are closed to prevent overloading of GM and Mod. But if the services that the game is not effective then the effects are 2:
- Increase in BBmail users who are more active on the forum help (and I believe that the predicted benefit is zero)
- An early abandonment of the game of the users who do not understand how to move in the game

BB is a nice game but a the beginning is not easy to understand. At first I thank people like Mark Lenders who answered my questions so often and made my life here easier.
This shows that the heart for the success of the game is communication because it is the only instrument capable of covering the flaws of a game young and still imperfect.

According to me, who said that new tool are good don't have the newbe's point of view. The game IS NOT easy to understand and some tool ARE NOT useful or easy to find!

This is my opinion.

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130835.194 in reply to 130835.193
Date: 2/18/2010 12:00:31 PM
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Sorry, but I am trying to figure out how transfer ads help people to learn the game. I think there is something that I am missing here.

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130835.195 in reply to 130835.194
Date: 2/18/2010 12:06:35 PM
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Agreed,plus i doubt many people are rushing to post a transfer ad when they start...Alot of people even dont use forums when they first enter the game...

Last edited by Ref at 2/18/2010 12:07:19 PM

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