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170766.186 in reply to 170766.183
Date: 4/15/2011 7:18:37 PM
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OR, he'll have to pay some top dollars for the belgian prospects on the TL then and their, which won't be easy at all... (that is if LoD ever wants to go back...)


right... IF...

which isn't on my list 'to do' anytime soon.

I already payed a lot for a Belgian player (Sammy wasn't cheap for what he was) and I am starting my second level 6 trainer as well. These are investments I wouldn't be making if I was interested in winning titles.
I'm still happy with what I'm doing. So I'll continue doing that for a while longer.

If teams need NT players from their own country to compete with the top, or if those players make such a big diffrence, I'm sure the BBs will have to tweak on those in the future, as I don't think they will sit and watch a few teams build up a larger and larger gap, solely by having NTplayers. It would make NT managers too powerfull as well, as they can choose which teams will have the NT players. That is something nobody wants offcourse.

And finally: if all goes well, I'll have a Belgian NT player myself as well. ;þ


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170766.187 in reply to 170766.186
Date: 4/16/2011 9:16:15 AM
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If teams need NT players from their own country to compete with the top, or if those players make such a big diffrence, I'm sure the BBs will have to tweak on those in the future, as I don't think they will sit and watch a few teams build up a larger and larger gap, solely by having NTplayers. It would make NT managers too powerfull as well, as they can choose which teams will have the NT players. That is something nobody wants offcourse.


i understand where you want to go. However, merchandise isn't that simple.

when i bought Blairon (belgian SG) my merchandise went up by 10k, because he was a starter. When i added Meekers ( Back-up C, belgian) my merchandise went up by 3 to 4k. not alot at all.

The fact that they are belgian, gives you the merchandise.

Now, Joe both had Thys and Gilmont on the NT.
When Both players played as starters, then Joe would get 15k to 20k more than if neither of them played a minute. With Thys being on of belgians best NT players, it's hard not to put him in the line-up. However, Gilmont doesn't (or hardly) gives Joe any merchandise if he doesn't play in the Nt game.

Also, the better the NT results, the more merchandise the players (and experience) the players get, since that NT will stay in competitive games for a longer time.

So if i as the NT manager, would abuse my position, by only selecting players from my II.3 division ( just to give an extreem example) then 3 things would happen:

1) Belgian NT won't have good results.
2) Coaches, such as Vottem, won't be happy with me, since both Thys and Gilmont/Vercaigne are worthy of being on the NT, since they won't be getting the reward of the merchandise that they ought to have.
3) Because of the lesser results, the reward in merchandise for the NT players, won't be as large as if the NT would be if Belgian NT would have better results ( in competition games, since scrimmages don't count for the world ranking, and thus, if it's a scrimmage, players normally get less merchandise than if their player plays in Nt competitive games)

So make the sum of the 3 things here above, and then ask yourself. Could a manager stay NT coach in a community that would have over 100 active members? i hardly dought it.

I'm not going to deny that i only got re-elected, because of the lack of competition in the NT election. My results in season 14 were bad, in season 13, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't very good either.

The merchandise that is given through the NT is a reward for keeping the GS good, and for willing to keep training and paying the salary for that player.

it's more like a Bonus than anything else, because if you got a belgian player in your starting line up, then he'll already give you quite an ammount of merchandise, without being on the NT. Having a player on the NT gives you a reward in the merchandise.

If the merchandise wouldn't reward a team for having a Nt player, then alot of people wouldn't both training their players beyond a certain lvl.

unless i'm totally mistaken, then it is exactly for those reasons that merchandise calculations were changed a few seasons ago. you'd get more merchandise if your player was from your own country. The goal their, was to promote people to train trainee's from their own country, and not to take the best available trainee on the market. Why? because nations such as Spain, Italy, France, USA, etc have far larger ammount of people, and thus, they have far more draftee's, and more make it to the market. By changing the Merchandise, you will give the smaller nations way's to compete with the larger nations, since smaller nations will go for draftee's from their own nation, rather than that from one of the big nations.

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170766.188 in reply to 170766.187
Date: 4/16/2011 9:41:51 AM
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and Just to give you a little more info.

i have got NT centre Dieng from Ghana on my team.
When he plays, he gives me about an increase of 5k per week on my normal merchandise ( his Nt coach didn't do any friendlies, i suddenly had 5k less per week in my merchandise, that is how i noticed). Dieng isn't on a very strong NT, and that is why the bonus is so small for having him.

Now keeping that in mind. When the competitive Nt games were over, i usually selected 20y old players that could make it into the U21 the season after right?

the reason for it? To let them play, thus, get them a little extra experience, but most of all, to reward their managers for their efforts of training their players. The better the players are trained, the better the NT will be down the road, the better the results will be, and the more merchandise the NT players will provide to their teams in the futur.

By taking the 20y olds after the competitive season, i tried to reward them for their training efforts. It's a way to reward managers.

This season, the NT has had a very long season, so i didn't have the chance to reward them. Some have asked me why i always looked for weaker NT or U21 teams to scrimmage against when competitive season was over. Well, it's to let the young guy's, who are on the NT at that point, play.

It means that the players who were on the NT that season, won't be getting an extra reward, but in the end, you want better player, to have better results with your Nt down the road. If the Nt is eliminted in an earlier stage, then you have to hope that the guy's comming from the U21 will be stronger so that you can get better results with the Nt afterwards.

Upcoming game against Suomi, you might have noticed that i only took belgian players.

One of the reasons is because i want to preform a test, for which i needed players, such as De Ceulaer, because i've been wondering about something this season, and wanted to test it.

But players such as Francaart, De Baere, Waelput, De Neef, etc, have all been trained this season, and all were in consideration for the NT. They didn't make it, and so, with this last game, i want to try and reward their managers for their great efforts. Some of those players (i'm not going to say which at this point, but their own managers know which ones i'm talking about) were very close to make the NT in season 15, and will most likely make the NT selection in season 16.

So during the upcomming game against Suomi, i will be preforming a test and the guy's comming of the bench will be rewarded, for their efforts this season.

I know i can't reward everyone, but some have made great efforts ( such as Waelput) and thus, he will be playing in the game aganist suomi ( i won't say if it's a starter or not) as a reward for his efforts. I can only reward a certain ammount of people. So i'll always try to reward the ones who did the best job.

My goal with the Nt, is to have competitive games as long as possible, to improve belgians world ranking, and thus, get a better draw when the next european championship comes allong, hoping to go to the world championship ( in the event that i wouldn't get re-elected, i'd still be rooting for the belgian NT to get as far as possible and make it to the World championships somewhere in the futur). However, once the competitive games are over, i will try to reward those who are training their players hard for the futur of the NT.

it's all very well to think about the present, but, in my oppinion, the futur players need to be encouraged aswell.

The bottom line is. if you train really hard, you'll get a good player, who can start games. For those who keep putting in an effort to train belgian players, they'll get an extra reward, by playing in the NT (or U21) at some stage.

Revo

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170766.189 in reply to 170766.188
Date: 4/16/2011 8:45:47 PM
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so... I still don't get the point where teams in the BBBL will make the gap greater.

now it seems having Belgian players as starters is the bigger factor, and having NT players, and only Belgians at that one, just gives a small bonus.
:)
Knowing they also take a large wage, I can't see where the managers can get extra money. They do get the small bonus in merchandising, but they immediatly pay it back on wage.

I think I must still be missing something.
But in the end, don't bother, as I am not interested in economy right now anyway.

I also was not saying you would be a NT manager who would use his powers to benefit certain teams. I just said it would give a NT manager much power.
I can imagine a NT manager avoiding 1 team, or 2 team's players, to avoid giving those teams the bonus. Bad for elections?
depends on how the voters see it, and how well they follow it all. Most won't even notice. And there's always a part that just votes blind...
If he will benefit 1 or 2 teams only, indeed he won't last long, but I do believe he can cut out 1 or 2 teams from that country's competition prety easy...

I'm glad we don't have this in Belgium, but it would surprize me if it wouldn't happen anywhere.


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170766.191 in reply to 170766.190
Date: 4/18/2011 3:59:05 AM
Obira Dragons
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Congrats Joe,

as I said before:" the best team deserves the title"
Even with Buckner and Thomas you would have been too strong. (Too strong for Belgium)

I've sold Buckner to buy " Ballaert" but I was in Switserland and I didn`t have the internet at the right time..
Adieu Ballaert !

Many teams will be stronger next season...and we have to believe in our own team.We still are looking for good players, but the one we were after the whole season will not play for the Dragons.


And so the struggle goes on and on....

From: NicoNam

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170766.192 in reply to 170766.191
Date: 4/18/2011 9:07:38 AM
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Congratulations to Both teams.

As expected Vottem was too strong compared to the other teams of the BBBL this season again.
Only Boes with his huge Salary budget could compete with him... even if the SSS should be back on track next season...
Stonestars will just try to reach the playoffs in this transition season where the training will be more important than the results. Moreover, as metioned by Obira, many teams will be stronger next season... what will make it evenmore complicated... Let's hope that the incoming D2 teams will not be too strong... in the second conference at least ;-)

Good luck to everybody for the coming season!

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170766.193 in reply to 170766.190
Date: 4/18/2011 12:37:36 PM
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Congratz with the championship ;-)
Maybe one round further in B3 next year?

Last edited by fille coach at 4/18/2011 12:37:48 PM

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Date: 4/19/2011 6:10:46 PM
Basket Mizu Arlon
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